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12 November 2011 @ 11:55 pm
There's no place like homecoming [3x09]  

I HAVEN'T WRITTEN SINCE TWO EPISODES SO A LITTLE LIBERTY PLS? THIS SHOW, OMG.

Okay, so there wasn’t a whole lot of character development or anything, but I’m completely fine with episodes running at break-neck speed once in a while and just letting things happen, with no particular analysis or discussion.

IN SHORT, FUCKING INSANE, MAN, WHAT WAS THAT?

- LOLOLOL @ everybody getting taken out of commission one by one. Although if they keep Rebekah out for half as long as they’ve managed to keep Elijah, then I shall be VERY MAD.

- BONNIE/ELENA FTW. “Or…we could order takeout and overanalyze hieroglyphic thingies with Alaric!” WHY U SO PERFECT BONNIE? Also how hilarious is it that the two of them always attend every town event whatsoever because Caroline would be so mad if they didn’t? It’s like “seriously, why are we going to Events XYZ considering our track record at any gathering involving more than three people?” “BUT CAROLINE WOULD HATE US FOREVER D:” “…do you have earrings that match could match my red dress?” THAT’S NOT CONVENITENT AT ALL, SHOW. Also, Caroline would kill them. Awwww.

Anyhow, I’ve always said that TVD has had some really underdeveloped female relationships, as epic as their bromances are, and I love it when Bonnie, Caroline and Elena get a chance to interact. And this was just so good because Elena was genuinely concerned and yet Bonnie was right; there is no way she can sympathize objectively.

- AND I LOVE HOW ALL MY GIRLS TOOK CHARGE OF THEIR OWN LIVES SEPARATE FROM THE GUYS IN THEM. There was Bonnie with her Jeremy problems that weren’t automatically resolved because she has a . There was Rebekah betraying the brother she’s completely devoted to and assigning blame to her father in equal measure. Then Caroline, who’s attitude  it’s possible agree or disagree with, but she has a perfect right to feel the way she does about Tyler; and she didn’t give in after his explanation because it’s not okay with her. Then Elena, of course, with “then we let him go”. WHICH, GUH. Everyone know “letting go” is the hardest thing for her; she doesn’t do it. She tries to fix things because she’s lost way too many people to stand losing any more. That’s a strong moment of character development there.

- Also, LOL@Elena’s interested “really, what is it” at Damon’s “I am formulating a secret contingency plan”. I’M PRETTY SURE THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT REACTION, ELENA. This is Damon formulating a secret contingency plan. Did you even notice the order of the words? MY BROTP. <3

- Man, the fire department got to the gym or wherever that fast because it was flooded? And a couple of students died last time and... nothing. LOL, THIS TOWN.

- OT3 WAS SO GOOD. SO GOOOOOOD. YOU SEE WHY THIS SHOULD BE ENDGAME? There’s Stefan casually being an ass and his deliveries. GUH, PAUL, STOP BEING HOT, “with my luck, you’ll get yourself murdered by the homecoming queen”. There’s Elena being amusingly passive-aggressive, “you could not go.” THAT FACE SHE MAKES SHOULD MARRY ME. And there’s Damon continuing to casually do…whatever he’s doing in that ‘kids plz’ sort of way. [Ian should marry me in general, js]

- “If I look back at our history of epic plan failures, it’s usually because one of us let our humanity get in the way”. Oh god, how perfect was it that the person who caused the entire plan to fail because they let their humanity get in the way was Katherine? I’m always and constantly afraid that TVD will try their “redeeming moment” shtick with her sometime, and I am NOT looking forward to that. Katherine is defined by all these traits, because, as I’ve said earlier, in my opinion, Katherine isn’t so much a person as she is a persona. But the handling of her character in this episode was brilliant.

For some reason, there’s a common perception that, because Katherine loves conditionally and puts herself first, she doesn’t love at all. Which, what? There is absolutely no requirement for love to constantly be Epic and Self Sacrificing and conform to the normative representation. Her strong survival instincts are shaped by experience, they aren’t something inherent. She’s the same person who’d once asked “but if we didn’t believe in love, why would we want to live?” Katherine loves just as deeply as any of the other characters; after all she’s kept tabs on her boys over a century. And honestly, all she’s done recently? Is try and protect them for absolutely nothing in return. The only difference being that she doesn’t make grandiloquent statements about sacrifice and love while doing it. She does it with snark and flair and with that air of granting a favor, so the crux of her actual action gets sidelined. She hasn’t tried to ‘steal them away’ from Elena; she hasn’t tried to make them ‘come back to her’, all the time helping under the guise of ‘only wanting Klaus dead’ because it benefits her. And even this overarching agenda? Was completely blown, because she had her chance and she let it go. Mostly, she’s just a girl who lost her mother too young.

- And her face at “kaboom” and the happiness radiating off her at having totally fooled Mikael and Klaus? AWW, MY BB GIRL IS SUCH A HBIC.

- Speaking of. SHE WENT BACK TO MIKAEL AFTER WHAT HE DID TO HER? That girl has nerves of steel. And I’m side-eyeing Mikael not realizing she wasn’t Elena. #original fail

- Caroline with her insecurity and all her issues is SO LOVELY. I prefer the Caroline you have to work to like, rather than the one who’s completely and utterly awesome on her own and can handle a million vampires and be the best friend ever and completely understanding and everything in between. This is the Caroline who’s so realistic and heartbreaking. And here, it’s just impossible to take sides, because Tyler is so realistic too. For him, all the free-will stuff is useless intellectualization because all he wants is to be free of the pain of turning. It is ghastly and horrific and tears you from the inside out. I loved how brutally honest he was; it feel good and he feels in control and that’s all that matters.

But then again, neither is Caroline at fault for not wanting to accept it. I totally thought she was going to, after his heartfelt speech and “don’t turn your back on me now”, but she didn’t because she’s not okay with this. This isn’t about her and her relationship and her boyfriend at all. This is about people she loves. This is about Tyler giving Klaus his house to host a bloodbash or whatever, because he can’t help himself. This is about never being sure that he won’t give them all up to Klaus. Even as a vampire, she’s still seventeen, she still has those fixed notions of right and wrong that all of them do and in her eyes, they’re the good guys. Caroline earlier used to gain self-definition from the men in her life, and made her decisions according to how much she wanted them to stay and now my bb’s coming into her own and it is stunning.

But ngl, his completely self-aware “if I’m sired to anybody, it’s you” was hilarious; DUDE U NO U SO WHIPPED.

- Also, Caroline didn't inquire about anybody after explicitly being told they'd been in danger all the while she'd been drugged? Show, I wish you'd remember you don't have to stick to the triangles and clearly demarcated storylines the entire freaking time. :s

- ALL THE BEST HYBRIDS HAVE DADDY ISSUES. How amazing was Klaus in that scene? He actually cried and I didn’t go “duuuuuude”. And since the show hasn’t exonerated him of anything as yet, all the sympathy I felt towards him was totally on me. Because that’s what this show has always been about. It’s shown us some of the strongest family bonds and some of the worst families. And families always have that power to keep you going or break you. Klaus is so affected, not only because this is exactly what he fears so much, but because, despite everything, this is his father talking. He might not be blood-related, he might have been running away from him, but something he’s always wanted is his approval. “You’ve always underestimated me” might have been threatening, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a tragic dimension to it.

And oh maaaan, his reaction at Stefan saving him? Glorious. Because, at that moment he actually thought Stefan did it for him. “Thank you, my friend”. He’s not the man of his word, that’s Elijah. He’s a man of impulses and his setting Stefan “free” was testament to that, not only because he’d “promised” it. And then of course, Stefan totally went and stole his family, ouch. HE JUST WANTS TO BE BFFS, STEFAN, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT D:

But, he is also a manipulative, self-serving sociopath and Stefan’s random revenge plan was the best ever :D

- R.I.P. Mikael D: I actually liked him and I honestly didn’t think he’d be out of the picture that early, not to mention his explanation for feeding on vampires was pretty amazing.

- And Stefan. Oh man, PAUL, I LOVE YOU SO. OF COURSE HE DID IT FOR DAMON, OF COURSE HE DID. Yeah, it’s a total repetition and it can feel a bit like they’re hammering the theme into our heads (which, btw, yes show, we get it), but I’m always receptive to any Salvatore loving. And that fact that he doesn’t want to let it all back in, because there is no way he can deal with all he’s done. But seriously, that’s the only thing that would change his mind, make him do what he did. Salvatore, as in savior. And it’s so interesting that this is the moment where Damon completely gives up hope.

- Speaking of, Ian acted the hell out of that scene. The despair, the anguish, the utter inability to comprehend what had happened. And it’s not only Elena who lost Stefan, he lost his brother. This wasn’t some compulsion-trick, this was straight up betrayal. AND THEN ELENA COMFORTS HIM? As an inversion to and a parallel of… uh, every scene ever? Because Damon is always the one offering sympathy, giving, and never taking (okay, he can also be a psychotic bastard, but let’s avoid that for a moment) and this time he completely lost control, and Elena was the one to comfort him. She stayed in control throughout and then her holding him? Is a parallel to so many scenes where he’s held her in the same ‘I won’t let anything happen to you’ way. It was adorable because it wasn’t about them and their sexual tension and their bff-ness and everything, this was all about Stefan, “we’re never getting Stefan back, you know that, don’t you?” “then we’ll have to let him go.” I find it fascinating that Damon believes that he’s never getting Stefan back. Considering that all this while he’s constantly been trying to get Elena to understand that she can’t get him back; not in her lifetime, not as a human. And he’s lost hope so completely that this time he’s including himself in that category, even though he has an eternity. Oh, Damon. D:

- I've said it before; Stefan/Elena is a relationship based on respect and Damon/Elena is a relationship based on trust. And the latter was reiterated throughout this episode. I loved how instinctive Elena's affirmation was to Damon's "do you trust me"? Because maybe she shouldn't, but she does anyway and she can't help it. Aww.

- Also, NOW TELL ME MY MIRROR THEORIES WERE WRONG. There were four separate mirror scenes within the first thirteen minutes. Damon/Elena, OT3, Rebekah, and Elena. Rebekah was the best ever, AND IF YOU’RE NOT SHIPPING REBEKAH/ELENA, YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T WATCH THIS EPISODE. How good were they? Rebekah was completely vulnerable and beautiful and understated and seriously, all she’d wanted to do was go to a high school dance. It’s almost tragic how willing she is to talk, because nobody else is pretty much willing to listen. And her complete break-down, because she does love Klaus, despite everything (be still by Rebeklaus shipper heart) and it kills het to imagine she might be the one to hurt him. “I’ve spent my whole life loving and hating my brother with equal measure.”
 
- AND THAT SCENE? Was totally a parallel to the Damon/Elena scene from the first episode. And I’m not even saying this because of the necklace-tying thing (which was so, so lovely, oh my god). I’d been thinking about if from the very moment when Rebekah was looking into the mirror and Elena appeared at the door. Something about the angle to the camera, the way Rebekah turned, and the way Elena stood was very familiar (as was the slow song, haha) and I was all “IT’S THAT SCENE” and then later Elena took out the necklace and I was all “you’ve got to be kidding me”. Elena can be an absolutely amazing friend, btw, we just don’t see these moments enough D:
 
-AND THEN ELENA LOOKING INTO THE MIRROR AFTER STAKING REBEKAH? Absolutely, utterly fantastic. Because you can totally see she's wondering who the person in the mirror is. At that moment she sees herself as Katherine.
 
- And then Damon reiterated her feeling with his “very Katherine of you”, heh. And the best part of that scene was how much on the defensive Elena is. Because she knows she’s changed and she doesn’t want to accept it; Damon’s the one being all “you just daggered someone, you’re gonna be fine” and she makes all these comments about how it was absolutely necessary and how she would screw the plan up because she “feels bad about it” and “cares too much”. She really does think this, but the truth is that this is also a way of distancing herself from Katherine and that moment in front of the mirror. Which, my girl, why so adorable? *hearts*
 
- AND THEN DAMON BASICALLY TELLS HER THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING KATHERINE, sort of. YES, THANK YOU. THIS IS WHAT I’VE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING. Elena has the potential to be Katherine. EVERYBODY has the potential to be Katherine. She’s made up of certain specific experiences, and now that they’re all facing something similar, each of them is starting to realize how strong survival instincts are, and how much it takes to fight instead of just giving up.
 
- Ngl, characters should not be allowed to say dialogues like “I care too much” even if they’re true because it immediately makes me roll my eyes and think ‘o rly, Elena?’

- GIVE ME ALL THE STEFAN/KATHERINE MOMENTS, SHOW. ALL OF THEM. I’ve been waiting for them to properly interact since SO LONG. But Damon and Elena were right; they need to let Stefan go. At least for a little while. Because this is his moment; he needs to figure out who he is now that he doesn't have to be someone. And I think it's going to be an amazing struggle to watch.

TL;DR WHY ISN’T IT JANUARY ALREADY? I WANT TO KNOW WHO ARE THE PEOPLE IN ALL THOSE COFFINS. But we'll survive, we always do /clutches

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Ishi-chanishi_chan on November 12th, 2011 06:48 pm (UTC)
He’s not the man of his word, that’s Elijah.

That's exactly what I thought when he said it :D


To me, the most amazing thing in that episode was that Stefan being able to make himself care again was all about Damon. It took all of my energy to not squee and scream like crazy (I was watching the episode on my phone while on a train, so that might have been awkward xD).

I don't completely understand why Klaus isn't just threatening to kill Damon if Stefan doesn't bring his family back (not that I want him to).

Caroline was amazing as usual. Still would prefer it if she was involved in the main plot a little more. All she seems to do this season is having/sorting out her relationship with Tyler. That's one of the main reasons why I loved Season 2 (until the last few episodes at least) WAY more than Season 3.

youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 12th, 2011 07:08 pm (UTC)
ELIJAH NEEDS TO BE BACK ALREADY. I just don't understand how he's been kept away this long D:

To me, the most amazing thing in that episode was that Stefan being able to make himself care again was all about Damon.

I know, right? In so many teen vampire shows it's all about True Epic Love Conquering All and TVD doesn't take that road, and it's glorious. Stefan has always just wanted his brother and I'm glad that's something that always stays with him.

I don't completely understand why Klaus isn't just threatening to kill Damon if Stefan doesn't bring his family back (not that I want him to).

HAHAHA, BUT THAT'S LOGIC, THIS SHOW NO UNDERSTAND. Kidding :D Good point, they probably will show Klaus hurting everyone though, ooh!

Still would prefer it if she was involved in the main plot a little more. All she seems to do this season is having/sorting out her relationship with Tyler.

YES PLZ. Your comment made me realize (and add in the post), how is it that Caroline didn't ask about all the people who could potentially have been hurt in whatever happened at homecoming. There are a lot of these very narrow streets of character interaction that the show takes :s
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нσω ∂σ уσυ нσℓ∂ α мσση вєαм ιη уσυʀ нαη∂?: diaries ♔ damon; shirtlessfiddlings on November 12th, 2011 07:51 pm (UTC)
LOLOLOL @ everybody getting taken out of commission one by one. Although if they keep Rebekah out for half as long as they’ve managed to keep Elijah, then I shall be VERY MAD.

SO MUCH THIS.

I AM (wait for it) IN THE MIDDLE OF WRITING REBEKAH/KLAUS ATM. So. I will be back to contribute more thoughts when I am a) finished or b) sadly lamenting that I couldn't make it past more than a few sentences.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 12th, 2011 08:07 pm (UTC)
LISTEN, WHY ARE YOU TEASING ME LIKE THIS? GO BACK TO WORK/WRITING /slave driver

It will be option a). It will be option a)
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upupa_epops: [tvd] Katherine drinks bloodupupa_epops on November 12th, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
I loved all the Elena vs Katherine parallels: the dichotomy is totally broken now, and good riddance :D.

I think it's not just about the pain with Tyler; it's also about his anger. He used to have those moon-related outbursts of rage, and since he is free from the moon cycle now, I assume that he's also free from his anger. So he got his freedom on a very personal level, he can control his own emotions now, and this is his life, isn't it? Of course his loyalty is to Klaus, but Tyler is not a part of Klaus's big game. Klaus is just an occasional inconvenience for Tyler, and it's an inconvenience that happens even less often than all the Very Important Town Events ;). So Tyler didn't only get freedom from pain, he also gained control over his every day life, and taking part in an evil masterplan from time to time really isn't such a horrible price to pay.

\o/ to your Elena, Caroline and Bonnie thoughts :D. Can we just have a team!show about those three?

Because Damon is always the one offering sympathy, giving, and never taking (okay, he can also be a psychotic bastard, but let’s avoid that for a moment) and this time he completely lost control, and Elena was the one to comfort him.

But Elena did try to comfort him before? Like, when Katherine wasn't in the tomb, or when he lost Rose, or when he was dying? I think it's his reaction that is different this time: he responds to being comforted; it's not just Elena trying to help, there's an actual interaction. When she was hugging him in s1, he just stood there, paralyzed.

Multiple fics definitely should be written!
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 12th, 2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and mostly I love how Elena's trying to stick to it! She'll be the last person to accept it, because for so long Katherine's been representative of all those things she desperately doesn't want to be.

So he got his freedom on a very personal level, he can control his own emotions now, and this is his life, isn't it?

That's a really good point, I hadn't thought of that! In fact, that's exactly why I'm not blaming Tyler, because I can understand that this is how he feels and, as you rightly said, it's his life, he should get to make these choices. And it's actually a good choice for him (although I do think it's all rather mysterious and doesn't make much sense, "I can't explain it" is not good writing D:) But then again, I can't blame Caroline either, because if he gets to decide, then so does she. She shouldn't be under any obligation to accept him "as he is". Just like Elena isn't accepting this particular side of Stefan. Very engaging, really :D

YES, SPIN-OFF OF PRE-SALVATORE MYSTIC FALLS AND LOTS OF B/E/C.

But Elena did try to comfort him before?

Haha, yeah, I remembered that even when writing, usually he rejects her sympathy or doesn't respond and this time he doesn't and he does! I was thinking more along the context of ripper!Stefan story-arc, I suppose! :D

bellonablack on November 12th, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
- Caroline with her insecurity and all her issues is SO LOVELY. I

I was about to question if people saw her insecurity because no one really mentioned it and I was swearing up and down to myself that I did lol. ANd I agree, I like it when she has flaws and you have to work at it because it is worth it.

And I like the way Tyler/Caroline is framed as kind of being unable to take sides at all. Perfect tragedy in which both sides are very much understandable with their own issues invading in...It's good drama.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 12th, 2011 09:43 pm (UTC)
I was about to question if people saw her insecurity because no one really mentioned it and I was swearing up and down to myself that I did lol. ANd I agree, I like it when she has flaws and you have to work at it because it is worth it.

Yeah, that was the character I initially fell in love with because she was so flawed and so much more real than practically any character on the show! She can be bitchy, she can be insensitive, she can be mean, she says the wrong things at the wrong times, but she's a good person. Which is why I adore her so much!

And both Tyler and Caroline were absolutely right in their own way, neither of them should have to compromise on their positions if they feel they're right. I'd love to see where it goes!

(OT: I've been meaning to reply to your absolutely amazing, and extremely helpful messages; it's over 3 am here, so I shall def do it tomo!)
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dante_kentdante_kent on November 12th, 2011 11:11 pm (UTC)
DUDE THIS SHOW WHAT IS IT I DON'T UNDERSTAND BUT I JUST WANT MORE ALL THE TIME.

All the double crossing was really rather hilarious. There were SO many plans in action all at the same time. Both lolzy and awesome.

BONNIE/ELENA FTW. “Or…we could order takeout and overanalyze hieroglyphic thingies with Alaric!”

BEST. I love their relationship. I also love that instead of overanalyzing their boy problems or teenage issues, they're overanalyzing hieroglyphics. It's so typical and girly and...not at all, like, what? EXCELLENT.

Man, the fire department got to the gym or wherever that fast because it was flooded? And a couple of students died last time and... nothing. LOL, THIS TOWN.

WHAT ARE YOU, MYSTIC FALLS? How has the US government not shut this place down? Highest death rate in America. But they really crack down on flooding! Just. LOLZ.

Oh god, how perfect was it that the person who caused the entire plan to fail because they let their humanity get in the way was Katherine?

You know, I never thought that it was Katherine who let her humanity get the best of her. I thought it was Stefan. Now that you mention it, it's ALSO Katherine, but I guess it just doesn't surprise me when Kat does something wonderful like screwing up her chance at freedom to save her boys' lives. She's just like that.

I'm so impressed with the Tyler Caroline storyline, because it's just such mature storytelling. Oh, TVD, how I love you. You have two people with legitimate claim to feel the way they do. There's no right and wrong here. They both do what's best for them, and you can't blame them for it. And sometimes, love doesn't win, and you can't overlook someone's faults because of how you feel for them. Caroline feels the way she does, and so does Tyler, and that isn't going to change. And it's no one's fault, that's just where these people are in their lives. TEEN VAMPIRE SHOW TELLING IT LIKE IT IS. WHAT.

Klaus, my darling. He is so tragic. And so fantastic. I love that he called Mikael's bluff. He wasn't swaggering and doing his Klaus thing, always 10 steps ahead of everyone. He was just standing his ground against a man who has always terrified him. And it's so awful to watch, but also kind of wonderful. Klaus, I'm glad their plan failed. Stay forever please.

PAUL AND IAN FOR ALL THE AWARDS. How do these boys look like that and yet still manage to be magnificent actors? SHARE THE TALENT, BOYS, GOD. I am very impressed with Paul's post-compusion-free Stefan. Because he's our Stefan again, but he's not. He's a blend of so many different versions of himself, and yet he's our boy again. Well done, Mr. Wesley. And Ian. Oh, Ian. I don't know how you do what you do, but never change. Damon was tragic. He was furious and frustrated and devastated, and for him to break down like that in front of Elena of all people was a testament to how broken he was. All for his brother. No existential crisis here. He just wants his brother back, and he really thinks he won't get him. MY SALVATORE BOYS. HOW SO PERFECT.

Ngl, I totally thought of you every time a mirror popped up. There were SO MANY mirror scenes. And the Elena one was especially poignant, because she has a literal mirror image running around, actually pretending to be her, and it's impossible for her to not think of that every time she sees her borrowed face. My poor, wonderful girl. I JUST WANT TO HUG ALL THE CHARACTERS, OK?

Rebekah remains perfect. I can't even start on her. She's just perfect.

AND THEN DAMON BASICALLY TELLS HER THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING KATHERINE, sort of.

WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO BE KATHERINE, SERIOUSLY? But seriously. And Elena can be part Katherine without being all of Katherine, and it would probably be good for her. Elena is coming into her own, becoming harsher, tougher, and stronger, and if she got that from Katherine? Well, good.

WHY IS IT NOT JANUARY 5TH? I don't understand. I guess I'll just throw myself into fic reading/writing and icon making. JOIN ME, WHY DON'T YOU.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 04:24 pm (UTC)
All the double crossing was really rather hilarious. There were SO many plans in action all at the same time. Both lolzy and awesome.

Haha, all of them getting taken down one by one was awesome. THEY BETTER UNSTAKE REBEKAH SOON.

I also love that instead of overanalyzing their boy problems or teenage issues, they're overanalyzing hieroglyphics. It's so typical and girly and...not at all, like, what? EXCELLENT.

I would totally watch an entire episode with Bonnie and Elena overanalyzing ancient hieroglyphic thingies with Alaric. And he would totally have awkward UST with BOTH his students and it’d be awesome. Oh, Alaric.

Highest death rate in America.

Stats don’t lie, trufax.

You know, I never thought that it was Katherine who let her humanity get the best of her. I thought it was Stefan. Now that you mention it, it's ALSO Katherine, but I guess it just doesn't surprise me when Kat does something wonderful like screwing up her chance at freedom to save her boys' lives. She's just like that.

You know, oddly enough, it WAS totally Katherine for me. Like it was supposed to be Stefan, which, of course. But I think the last episode already established that, regardless of the compulsion, Stefan cares way too much for Damon to let him die. So that part wasn't new in this episode, it was just a reiteration of what we already know. But KATHERINE, who's been running away from Klaus for 500 years, who always looks out for herself, and has wanted Klaus dead since ages actually, deliberately doing something to RUIN possibly the only real chance of killing him, that was just so stunning, GUH.

Oh, TVD, how I love you. You have two people with legitimate claim to feel the way they do. There's no right and wrong here. They both do what's best for them, and you can't blame them for it. And sometimes, love doesn't win, and you can't overlook someone's faults because of how you feel for them. Caroline feels the way she does, and so does Tyler, and that isn't going to change. And it's no one's fault, that's just where these people are in their lives. TEEN VAMPIRE SHOW TELLING IT LIKE IT IS. WHAT.

I kind of copied that entire thing out because it needs to be framed somewhere. FRAMED, I TELL YOU. I’ve seen lots of people taking sides and disliking what the other character said, which is also justified, probably, but I love how equal both sides are. Just REALLY GOOD STORYTELLING.

He was just standing his ground against a man who has always terrified him. And it's so awful to watch, but also kind of wonderful

Yeah, family always knows your worst, and Mikael making Klaus cry D: But I also did not dislike Mikael or think he was wrong. He came across as very principled in fact. THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS SHOW.

PAUL AND IAN FOR ALL THE AWARDS. How do these boys look like that and yet still manage to be magnificent actors?

I KNOW, RIGHT? HOW DO THEY LIVE? Both of them acted the hell out of their characters; and added multiple dimensions all at once and it was so lovely and heartbreaking to watch, I don’t even. D: And that, for them, it was all about their brother (even the D/E for Damon was ALL about Stefan; didn’t even notice Elena almost-but-not-quite about to kiss him thing, while she obviously did) and Stefan just doing these things and making himself the bad guy. COME HERE, YOU BOTH. /pets

Ngl, I totally thought of you every time a mirror popped up. There were SO MANY mirror scenes.

Hahaha, so many people told me that. I’M SO GLAD I WASN’T IMAGINING ALL OF IT. And the Elena framing and her terrified expression was just all shades of lovely *hugs*

WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO BE KATHERINE, SERIOUSLY?

WORD.

WHY IS IT NOT JANUARY 5TH? I don't understand. I guess I'll just throw myself into fic reading/writing and icon making. JOIN ME, WHY DON'T YOU.

YOU DO THAT. I shall sit here and enjoy the fruits of your labor and try to study for my exams IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS and write the assignments I have to fill BEFORE THAT and all the college applications. GODDAMMIT.
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youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 05:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I only forgave Klaus because he didn't touch her, but he's #fail too. BUT MIKAEL? Are vampires not colder? No heartbeat? Nothing? I just do not see how anyone can possibly get confused with super-sensitive sense-perception. THIS SHOW DOES WHAT IT WANTS LOLOLOL.

can see where both of them are coming from which lead to me feeling so bad for both of them. I actually thought for a sec she was going to cave, but she didn't.

I absolutely loved that about them! I could see they were both right and it's not anybody's fault, it's just something that is. I'd love to see it develop!

It really bugs me she isn't involved with the ~save Stefan~ plan.

EVERYTHING THAT LINE CHOOSES TO BE. Seriously, wtf show? WHY AREN'T YOU TAPPING INTO THE WONDERFUL BFFNESS THAT WAS STEFAN/CAROLINE?!

LOL @ Stefan stealing the original family. He really doesn't think things through does he? I mean, whats to stop Klaus from going and killing his brother now? It's just like.. what?

And what does he plan on doing with them anyway? Just chilling around with a couple of coffins? It's hilarious!

BTW: everytime a mirror scene popped up, I thought of you. ;)

Hahaha, so many people told me this this time, and I'm like "it wasn't ALL in my mind, okay" :P
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jane_wanderlustjane_wanderlust on November 12th, 2011 11:46 pm (UTC)
THIS IS HUGE.
I LOVE IT.

Man, the fire department got to the gym or wherever that fast because it was flooded? And a couple of students died last time and... nothing. LOL, THIS TOWN.

LMAO MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

This is the most genuinely fucked up town of ALL TIMES.
It's like...storybook fairytales and apocalypse central all had a lovechild while Satan presided in a dress.
IDK WHAT THAT MEANS BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS TOWN IS LIKE, OKAY?

Um. So my OT3 is Katherine/Damon/Stefan.
And as much as I loved the previously mentioned Katherine/Damon/Elena scenes, it was the K/D/E this episode that really had my heart squeezing itself dry.

i mean, ugh, HOW PERFECT IS KATHERINE?
How petulant but not really, selfish, but not really, GLORIOUS, LOVING, PERFECT IS SHE?

That ending scene between Katherine and Damon with the "take care of yourself, Katherine," and the mirroring scene with the not said but totally implied "take care of yourself, Stefan" between Stefan/Katherine? UGH PERFECT. Because it's just this huge homage to the emotion that built this triangle. It's this huge circle to the original 3, but yet, it's not. It's new, and evolved and more honest and vulnerable than its ever been. Even when there are no humans involved, there's more humanity than before. And it's perfect.

Katherine truly loves Stefan. She truly loves Damon. And they truly love(d) her.
It's beautiful. And painful.

AND CAN I JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO WAX POETIC ABOUT MY HUGE, OBSESSIVE LOVE FOR PAUL?!
He is owning everything inside of me lately, and I just...oh God, I can't.
I love his style of acting, and the emotion - raw, bleeding, there - that he puts into his scenes without ever really being obnoxious and heavy-handed.

Considering that all this while he’s constantly been trying to get Elena to understand that she can’t get him back; not in her lifetime, not as a human. And he’s lost hope so completely that this time he’s including himself in that category, even though he has an eternity. Oh, Damon. D:

YES. THIS. :( It hurts. I love it.

And now I just agree with you (as usual):
AND THEN DAMON BASICALLY TELLS HER THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING KATHERINE, sort of. YES, THANK YOU. THIS IS WHAT I’VE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING.

^ THIS.

Ngl, characters should not be allowed to say dialogues like “I care too much” even if they’re true because it immediately makes me roll my eyes and think ‘o rly, Elena?’

LOL THIS.

AND:

GIVE ME ALL THE STEFAN/KATHERINE MOMENTS, SHOW. ALL OF THEM. I’ve been waiting for them to properly interact since SO LONG. But Damon and Elena were right; they need to let Stefan go. At least for a little while. Because this is his moment; he needs to figure out who he is now that he doesn't have to be someone. And I think it's going to be an amazing struggle to watch.

THIS FOR FUCKING EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER UNTIL MY FINGERS CRAMP FROM REPETITIVELY TYPING "EVER" !!!!!!

Fucking January.

KLAUS IS PERFECT. I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT.
BUT JUST KNOW, IT'S BEEN RUNNING ON A LOOP IN MY MIND CONSTANTLY SINCE THURSDAY.

KLAUS. IS. PERFECT.
As I Rebekah.

As are you.
K BYE.
jane_wanderlustjane_wanderlust on November 12th, 2011 11:47 pm (UTC)
BY THIS: And as much as I loved the previously mentioned Katherine/Damon/Elena scenes, it was the K/D/E this episode that really had my heart squeezing itself dry. I MEANT: Stefan/Damon/Elena.... UGH!


TYPOS!
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Gabby: candicegabby227 on November 13th, 2011 12:00 am (UTC)
OMG. I agree with pretty much everything you said (and you said a lot, so I agree a lot :D) and I think that Homecoming was just freaking EPIC. I love this Stefan so much and I don't want him to change, I know it's probably inevitable but I love how he's not emo-mopey Stefan but still cares just enough to save his brother. Seriously, the love between the Salvatore brothers is my downfall. OMG.

I am really mad that they daggered Rebekah (and she better be back) and where the hell is Elijah? It's beyond time that he comes back, damn it! lol, I was so excited last week when I heard that Elijah was going to be in the episode and so disappointed when he just appeared in flashbacks.

OMG I almost freaking squealed when I saw Katherine. I was really worried since she hasn't been in an episode since she got bit by Mikael and so I'm freaking ecstatic that she was there. I love her so freaking much.

The end of the episode was just AMAZING. I have a feeling that the writers are just teasing the delena crowd with sweet little delena moments like that. I'm not sure how well Elena is going to let Stefan go, but please please PLEASE let her get together with Damon already. It's obvious she loves him.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 05:53 pm (UTC)
(and you said a lot, so I agree a lot :D)

THAT MADE ME LOL SO HARD.

Seriously, the love between the Salvatore brothers is my downfall. OMG.



If I had a brother, this is NOT how I would be acting with him, trufax. They're so dysfunctional and messed up and in love, I JUST /pets

I was so excited last week when I heard that Elijah was going to be in the episode and so disappointed when he just appeared in flashbacks.

And he was in the flashbacks ONLY for the pretty, since he had no lines practically D: Seriously, this show cannot introduce awesome characters and then take them away. NO. THAT IS NOT ALLOWED. Also, some Caroline/Stefan interaction please? What the hell happened to them being best friends? D:

KATHERINE IS THE BEST EVER /END

Haha, I'd love to see how the D/E develops now, considering that they both seem to have given up (even though they don't know the entire truth about what happened). But we've had some really good D/E scenes this season so far; I loved the one that is my current default!
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a girl like that: katherinebbycassiehayes on November 13th, 2011 12:14 am (UTC)
:3 Everything Damon/Stefan/Katherine/Elena this episode was just so WONDERFUL, like everything possible relationship between those four! Between the awesome 0T3 planning snarkiness and Katherine saying she loved both of them, and Katherine letting her humanity get in the way of the plan because she loves those boys. (Which: There is absolutely no requirement for love to constantly be Epic and Self Sacrificing and conform to the normative representation. BLESS YOU FOR THIS. SO MUCH. Katherine loves differently but she doesn't love less.) And then of course there was awesomeness individually between Kat and each of the boys, her and Stefan taking off, and Damon's little "Take care, Katherine" and aljsdljs THE KATHERINE/ELENA. IT IS OK TO BE LIKE KATHERINE, ELENA. AND SHOW, THANK YOU FOR STARTING TO TEAR DOWN THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE OPPOSITE EXTREMES OF SOME GOOD/EVIL SPECTRUM BECAUSE UM NO.

Also, THE MIRRORS. I noticed this purely because of you, rofl, but omfg the scene with Elena and Rebekah (AND IF YOU’RE NOT SHIPPING REBEKAH/ELENA, YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T WATCH THIS EPISODE - AMEN) and how she is seeing her reflection right after was just so A+.

AND MY REBEKLAUS HEART INDEED. Listening to her talk about loving and hating him in equal measure her whole life, and tearing up, oh my gosh, they are so perfectly screwed up. (And how much did I adore "Pick up, darling, Daddy's dead" - although the first phone call was SO PAINFUL, him assuring her he'll be home soon when she says she misses him when really she is LURING HIM BACK BUT OF COURSE HE WOULD NEVER EXPECT REBEKAH, OH MY CREYS)

And Caroline/Tyler, ouch. I have to say, my favourite thing though was how much you could empathize with both of them, exactly. Like of course Caroline is p i s s e d that he took her out of the action against her will to protect her and seems fine being sired to Klaus, and that's not something she can handle, but at the same time of course Tyler would readily accept practically anything if it means he never has to go through so much pain again D: Actually, this speaks to the episode as a whole too, in that I loved how you could empathize with every single character, like, insanely. Klaus vs Mikael was so far from Good Guy vs Bad Guy and ugh, just A+ all around, show.

IN FACT, I AM GOING TO LEAVE THAT AS MY GENERAL COMMENT: A+ ALL AROUND, SHOW. *SLOW CLAPS*
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 06:11 pm (UTC)
Katherine loves differently but she doesn't love less.



That line totally gets the Katherine Pierce Seal of Approval :D But seriously, I don’t understand what the fandom confusion with that is. OF COURSE SHE LOVES THEM. (And she’s proved it beyond a shadow of doubt now). It’s like “she’s selfish and she looks out for herself, so she can’t love anyone”, which *headdesk*

AND SHOW, THANK YOU FOR STARTING TO TEAR DOWN THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE OPPOSITE EXTREMES OF SOME GOOD/EVIL SPECTRUM BECAUSE UM NO.

EXACTLY. Like, I can understand Elena never wanting to be like Katherine. Because, for her, Katherine is the epitome of everything that is selfish and destructive, and she wants to be the one who “feels bad” and “cares too much”. And this makes sense, SHE’S AN EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL; she still believes in very fixed ideas of right and wrong and good and evil, and she wants to be one of the good guys. But the SHOW shouldn’t tell me that they’re opposite or nothing alike BECAUSE I WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT.

Also, THE MIRRORS. I noticed this purely because of you, rofl, but omfg the scene with Elena and Rebekah

Hahaha, so many people said this and I’m just thinking, 'wow, I REALLY must wax lyrical on it'.

But this show has so much absolutely random framing that I didn't even notice the first time, like the beginning of:



Listening to her talk about loving and hating him in equal measure her whole life, and tearing up, oh my gosh, they are so perfectly screwed up.

IT WAS A PERFECT FANFIC MOMENT.

And how much did I adore "Pick up, darling, Daddy's dead" - although the first phone call was SO PAINFUL, him assuring her he'll be home soon when she says she misses him when really she is LURING HIM BACK BUT OF COURSE HE WOULD NEVER EXPECT REBEKAH, OH MY CREYS

I COPIED YOUR ENTIRE THING BECAUSE OF HOW PERFECTLY YOU DESCRIBED IT. It was so beautiful D: And his "Pick up, darling, Daddy's dead" was ridiculously sexy for some reason, ngl.

Actually, this speaks to the episode as a whole too, in that I loved how you could empathize with every single character, like, insanely. Klaus vs Mikael was so far from Good Guy vs Bad Guy and ugh, just A+ all around, show.

I hadn’t thought about Mikael vs. Klaus, and MY GOD YOU’RE RIGHT. This seems to have been the overarching theme of the episode with Rebekah vs. Klaus, Elena vs. Rebekah, Caroline vs. Tyler, Damon vs. Stefan, Mikael vs. Klaus, Katherine vs. Katherine. NONE OF THEM WERE GOOD AND NONE OF THEM WERE BAD. You could empathize with every single one of those characters and it’s just so ridiculously hard to accomplish!
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ever_neutral: d/e ~ the idiot shipever_neutral on November 13th, 2011 01:09 am (UTC)
pt. 1
Also how hilarious is it that the two of them always attend every town event whatsoever because Caroline would be so mad if they didn’t? -- Haha, yeah. We can blame the shenanigans of this show on her, then.

WORD on the improvement re: female r/ships. Continue down this path, show.

Everyone know “letting go” is the hardest thing for her; she doesn’t do it. She tries to fix things because she’s lost way too many people to stand losing any more. That’s a strong moment of character development there. -- YES. I think she's finally starting to let go of her Fixer identity. Therefore, WHAT ELENA ARE WE GOING TO GET NEXT? I can hardly contain my excitement.

Also, LOL@Elena’s interested “really, what is it” at Damon’s “I am formulating a secret contingency plan”. I’M PRETTY SURE THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT REACTION, ELENA. This is Damon formulating a secret contingency plan. Did you even notice the order of the words? MY BROTP. <3 -- HAHA IKR. The two of them in cahoots is the most lolarious thing.

For some reason, there’s a common perception that, because Katherine loves conditionally and puts herself first, she doesn’t love at all. Which, what? There is absolutely no requirement for love to constantly be Epic and Self Sacrificing and conform to the normative representation.

PREACH. THANK. YOU. EVERYTHING YOU SAY about Katherine. If you're of the opinion that Katherine's ~incapable of love~ because she's so selfish… frankly, I think you must have an insanely idealised view of people and relationships. Love is not something that's only real to Good People. Fuck that noise.

And I’m side-eyeing Mikael not realizing she wasn’t Elena. #original fail -- lol. noob.

Amen to all your thoughts on Caroline and Tyler. THEY ARE BOTH MY BBS, I REFUSE TO TAKE SIDES.

How amazing was Klaus in that scene? He actually cried and I didn’t go “duuuuuude”. And since the show hasn’t exonerated him of anything as yet, all the sympathy I felt towards him was totally on me. -- YESSSSSSSS. I love that the show humanises Klaus to such an extent that you kinda forget that he's the villain. Which, as you say, is on us. *g*

STEFAN SALVATORE STOLE YOUR FUCKING COFFINS. (I will be saying this for weeks.)
ever_neutral: d/e ~ crawling like a crowever_neutral on November 13th, 2011 01:10 am (UTC)
pt. 2
That last D/E scene was VERY INTERESTING. Totally agreed about Ian killing it (but when does he not kill it), and the awesome role-reversal of Elena reaching out to Damon. Though, she's done that a fair amount (Fool Me Once, The Descent); it's just that she's never managed to break in to his isolation until now. But here she's overtly framing his suffering as THEIR suffering. They're no longer ships in the night just missing each other.

Stefan/Elena is a relationship based on respect and Damon/Elena is a relationship based on trust. -- I HAVE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT THIS. Absolutely agreed about Elena trusting Damon despite the fact that she shouldn't. And I think she recognises that too--but to her, there's no risk, because they're already at rock bottom. I think that's the key difference between Elena trusting Stefan, and her trusting Damon. Her trust in Stefan in S1-2 was actually very rational (built on respect, as you said). She made it clear that her trust had to be earned in 1x04, and then Stefan went about trying to live up to that. Their relationship was absolutely a product of effort--but not trial. Most of the trials of their relationship came from external sources, and being with each other was about getting it RIGHT.

Then you look at Damon/Elena, which has been pretty much nothing BUT trial by fire. And yet, their friendship perseveres. Ergo, Elena trusting Damon = Elena throwing herself into the wreckage, as opposed to simply trying to stay afloat. She doesn't trust him because she's decided he's WORTH trusting; she trusts him because the hell that they've put each other through has actually proved that their relationship is stronger than anything else in her life right now.

AND THEN ELENA LOOKING INTO THE MIRROR AFTER STAKING REBEKAH? Absolutely, utterly fantastic. Because you can totally see she's wondering who the person in the mirror is. At that moment she sees herself as Katherine. -- OMG YESSSSS SLFKJDSLFJSF. And then she gets Damon to come join her in her confusion over her identity. VERY INTERESTING.

Elena has the potential to be Katherine. EVERYBODY has the potential to be Katherine. She’s made up of certain specific experiences, and now that they’re all facing something similar, each of them is starting to realize how strong survival instincts are, and how much it takes to fight instead of just giving up. -- JUST PLEASE TALK ABOUT THIS FOREVER
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Laura: TVD- S/E- The Summitonetruefriend on November 13th, 2011 08:35 am (UTC)
- “If I look back at our history of epic plan failures, it’s usually because one of us let our humanity get in the way”. Oh god, how perfect was it that the person who caused the entire plan to fail because they let their humanity get in the way was Katherine?

Actually in my opinion it was Stefan. Katherine was the one to tell him to fight through it, and he did. But Stefan caused the death of Mikael and the saving of Klaus which messed up the plan- but his humanity was in the way b/c he was saving Damon the whole time.

She hasn’t tried to ‘steal them away’ from Elena; she hasn’t tried to make them ‘come back to her’,

What about Katherine's original plan when she came back to town? She wanted Stefan back and told him to remove Elena from his life or she'd kill her and everyone she cares about. She compelled Jenna to stab herself. I mean, really? Then all of a sudden that story went away and Katherine was cool with them. It makes no sense to me.

Because this is his moment; he needs to figure out who he is now that he doesn't have to be someone. And I think it's going to be an amazing struggle to watch.

I agree!


Edited at 2011-11-13 08:36 am (UTC)
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 12:49 pm (UTC)
Actually in my opinion it was Stefan. Katherine was the one to tell him to fight through it, and he did. But Stefan caused the death of Mikael and the saving of Klaus which messed up the plan- but his humanity was in the way b/c he was saving Damon the whole time.

Oh, definitely! I didn't even mention Stefan because it's so obviously also him. But I think the original person who spoiled the plan because of the humanity issues was Katherine. I think the last episode already established that, regardless of the compulsion, Stefan cares way too much for Damon to let him die. So that part wasn't new in this episode, it was just a reiteration of what we already know. But KATHERINE, who's been running away from Klaus for 500 years, who always looks out for herself, and has wanted Klaus dead since ages actually, deliberately doing something to RUIN possibly the only real chance of killing him, that was different!

Then all of a sudden that story went away and Katherine was cool with them. It makes no sense to me.

Heh, this is true; although I personally believe she never really tried to get Stefan back; just make his acknowledge that what he'd felt for her was real. I think this show just establishes Powerful Evil People and then someone possibly worse comes along to make them seem not-so-bad in comparison, heh (Damon- Katherine- Elijah- Klaus- Mikael).

Can't wait for all the Stefan conflicts!
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Lizzie: tvd|play biting [GIF]xx_pinkstar on November 13th, 2011 01:11 pm (UTC)


THE ONLY FEELINGS I HAVE LEFT AFTER THIS EP, I WAS SO OVERWHELMED WITH THEM THAT THEY KILLED ME DED.

I want to leave you a really long comment like I normally do just talking about the flawfree-ness of both the show and you because we are, as usual, on the exact same wavelength in every way. BUT I JUST CANNOT BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT, I THINK IT WAS BEST ELIJAH AND ALARIC but seriously if he isn't undaggered in the next two episodes, imma start having srs problems WEREN'T IN IT BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY JUST BEEN SO OVERWHELMED FROM AWESOMENESS I'D HAVE DIED ON THE SPOT.

SERIOUSLY THE EPISODE WINS ALL THE AWARDS, BUT I DO BELIEVE YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED ONE CRUCIAL THING




WHAT A GLORIOUS KLAUS/REBEKAH EPISODE THIS WAS AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN SEE EACH OTHER.

god i abuse caps
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 12:40 pm (UTC)
YOUR REACTIONS ARE ALWAYS VERY APPROPRIATE.



Don't ask me, I think that's a duck version of a slow-clap, more a testament to the fact that I'm tired out of my mind.

And seriously, GIF reactions are always way better than any long comments, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE GIF CHOICES LIKE THAT LAST ONE. oh my god, I think I could die from all the pretty and angst and ~intense expressions DD:

ALL MY LOVE FOR YOU AND THIS EPISODE. And how perfect can Rebekah and Klaus be over a freaking phone? "Pick up the phone, darling. Daddy's dead." ...or something. I'm pretty sure it wasn't supposed to sound as ridiculously sexy as it did. :O

CAPSLOCK IS MY BOYFRIEND. HE LIKES BEING ABUSED (on that note LOL@Tyler and Rebekah and all those random people with random drink-my-blood fetishes).
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so_purple: Elena - season 3 on bed (thinking about so_purple on November 13th, 2011 05:25 pm (UTC)
ok so now, I really feel like if I am the only who didn't love the episode!!
Because I was expecting for more. It was suppose to be a big episode for stefan's fans and I know he's free now but I was waiting for more I don't know...
And I think he will still bad even if he is out of Klaus's compultion and I really don't know if I will like this. I've waited for so long to se him good again and now even free he will bad??! IDK
And also the part of me who was believing that I was capable to handle the futur delena scenes was so totally wrong !!! I've tried so hard to prepare myself but when I saw them in the last episode I was like REALLY????
I mean Elena will let stefan go but I wonder where is the Elena who said I still believe in you I can't give up on stefan...
I think she believe a little bit to much her 'I won't love a ghost forever' speach...
Anyways I have this feeling that the next episodes will be Damon/Elena and Stefan/Katherine and all I want it's a little bit of love! 'cause right now all my fandom make me cry and I want love and everybody happy including ME!
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 12:28 pm (UTC)
ok so now, I really feel like if I am the only who didn't love the episode!!

Haha, that's perfectly alright, I actually didn't like it half as much the second time I saw it. I suppose it was so much about the action and the surprises that there was nothing particularly left for the second watch.

And I think he will still bad even if he is out of Klaus's compultion and I really don't know if I will like this. I've waited for so long to se him good again and now even free he will bad??! IDK

Don't lose hope! I'm pretty sure he won't be all bad at all; it's Stefan, after all. I just think he doesn't feel like he can go back to being exactly who he was after all he's done. It makes sense for him to not want to feel everything; considering how many people he killed in cold blood. The guilt would be too much to bear. But I'd love to see where they go with this arc!

I mean Elena will let stefan go but I wonder where is the Elena who said I still believe in you I can't give up on stefan...
I think she believe a little bit to much her 'I won't love a ghost forever' speach...


As for Elena, I suppose she's beginning to realize that she's human, that she literally is too young to spend her life just waiting, and I can appreciate her wanting to move on. I think letting Stefan go is a strong thing. Like I'd love to see Damon/Elena and Stefan/Katherine explored since they weren't at all int the first two seasons; but don't worry, Stefan/Elena is definitely not even close to over; they can't be, SO MANY UNRESOLVED ISSUES AND FEELINGS.

'cause right now all my fandom make me cry and I want love and everybody happy including ME!

Aww, don't worry! I'm pretty sure you'll get some amazing S/E scenes soon too!
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unoshotunoshot on November 13th, 2011 06:40 pm (UTC)
But feel free to write me fic till Jan, you guys.

Caroline chokes, "I'm too pretty to die," and she makes it as carefree as she can, because she is not supposed to show fear with wild dogs. Or maybe
that's bears. For a brief, panicked moment, she isn't sure, but then the stake's out and Damon's across the room and she can breathe again. Her fingertips graze the blood, the hole in her shirt.

"Actually," says Damon, "that only explains why I'm still here." He fixes his hair, a quick flick of fingers. He's staring at his own eyes in the mirror.

Caroline flashes to high school, suddenly -- sixty years and a lifetime ago, and she was seventeen and he was an asshole, and some things never change.
youcallitwinteryoucallitwinter on November 13th, 2011 09:05 pm (UTC)
I haven't had my laptop w/me all day & I'm writing from my ancient mobile w/a 200 character limit to say this: NO. NO. NO. You are NOT allowed to tease me w/possible D/C and leave me unable to sleep (it's 3 am almost). I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S ILLEGAL D:
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x5valex5vale on November 14th, 2011 08:31 am (UTC)
There is absolutely no requirement for love to constantly be Epic and Self Sacrificing and conform to the normative representation. Her strong survival instincts are shaped by experience, they aren’t something inherent.
Sometimes I think she love sin the helthiest way in this show. I totally love Kath.

Speaking of, Ian acted the hell out of that scene. The despair, the anguish, the utter inability to comprehend what had happened.
I was squeeing and crying at the same time, feeling what Damon was feeling. Ian was perfect there.

I can't survive the haitus!

Because Damon is always the one offering sympathy, giving, and never taking (okay, he can also be a psychotic bastard, but let’s avoid that for a moment) and this time he completely lost control, and Elena was the one to comfort him.
I loved to see a role reversal for a change. Damon deserved some tender loving care.

It was adorable because it wasn’t about them and their sexual tension and their bff-ness and everything, this was all about Stefan
Exactly and another parallelism is that Elena is maybe ready to let Stefan go and Stefan is ready to let Elena go, but Damon and Stefan will never be ready to let each other go. And I know it's not healthy and it's not safe, but this GYNORMOUS brotherly love makes me SUPER happy!

youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on November 14th, 2011 12:57 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I think she love sin the helthiest way in this show. I totally love Kath.

WORD. I AGREE SO MUCH.

Ian was perfect there.

I KNOW, RIGHT? Like, his anger and desperation and love and everything was so well acted out. Ian is way too good an actor to also be that good-looking. How unfair, haha.

Exactly and another parallelism is that Elena is maybe ready to let Stefan go and Stefan is ready to let Elena go, but Damon and Stefan will never be ready to let each other go. And I know it's not healthy and it's not safe, but this GYNORMOUS brotherly love makes me SUPER happy!







MY BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL BOYS. JUST STAY FOREVER IN YOUR RIDICULOUSLY DYSFUNCTIONAL LOVE FOR EACH OTHER, OKAY?
(no subject) - x5vale on November 14th, 2011 02:31 pm (UTC) (Expand)