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14 May 2013 @ 11:50 pm
[50 icons: Logan/Veronica : Text 20in20] [epic, you know]  
- this is what i do when i take breaks between studying. shoot me already someone.
- this has quotes, lyrics, poetry, asw, i don't even.
- as for why the themes are logical fallacies, your guess is as good as mine.
- i also spent a ridiculous amount of time on these. D:
- this is my actual otp, okay, bye.
- WHY IS LJ MESSING UP MY FORMATTING UGH.





9

sample:


ff72 ff77 ff12
gg6 ff91 gg1










10 THEMES

appeal to probability

ad verecundiam false cause ad hominem red herring
f6 f22 ff12 f65 ff19

petitio principii
galileo argument pathetic fallacy the straw man dicto simpliciter
ff22 ff44 f42 ff49 ff91









5 CATEGORY – A SOFTER WORLD


#1 #2 #3 #4 #5
ff83 ff78 ff77 ff80 ff76











5 CATEGORY – ARTIST'S CHOICE


#1 #2 #3 #4 #5
gg2 f2 gg6 gg1 gg9






Category 1:

1. I love you the way / a knife loves a heart / the way a bomb loves a crowd / the way your mother / warned you about, / essentially. [the way a human loves another human]
2. I miss doing nothing / with you. [I miss not having to pretend to like your family.]
3. When I look at you / all I can see/ are the mistakes / we're going to make. [The future's so bright.]
4. I am going to build a new boyfriend out of garbage and dirty feathers / no one else will touch him. [or they better fucking not]
5. We are terrible for / each other, and, yes, / we are a disaster. But tell me your heart / doesn't race for a hurricane / or a burning building. I'd rather die terrified / than live forever. [mistakes aren't always regrets]

Category 2:

1. I get a crazy impulse / when you smile at me / like I want to step / in front of buses / in a good way. / [if that's not love, then i'm misinformed.]
2. Jealousy; turning saints into the sea.
3. If i love you, is that a fact or a weapon?
4. No one write songs about the ones that come easy.
5. If true love comes looking for me, I'll be over by the espresso machine.





                     ALTERNATES/OTHERS



ff13 ff55 ff58 ff35 ff53
ff24 ff87 ff75 ff37 ff33 ---> hands

4 f60 ff47 f27 f77
f3 58 ff38 ff8 ff63 ---> negative space

ff64 ff65 ff69 ff72 ff81
f17 ff27 f54 gg4 f38 ---> alternates


+ Please comment and credit if taking. + Please do not hotlink.
+ If you want to edit for personal use, like exposure or color or something, go ahead!
 
 
Lirazel: [vm] Epicpenny_lane_42 on May 14th, 2013 08:16 pm (UTC)
THEY'RE SO PRETTY. I love your colors!
youcallitwinter: no more than a dream remembered.youcallitwinter on May 14th, 2013 08:23 pm (UTC)
I am ridiculously obsessive about colors! I'm so GLAD you think so <3
Noellespuffy_noelle on May 14th, 2013 09:27 pm (UTC)
OMG LOVE!!!! I took two of the alternates :)
youcallitwinter: there is such a lot of world to see.youcallitwinter on May 14th, 2013 10:42 pm (UTC)
WELL, YOU KNOW, NO ONE MAKES ICONS WITH THE ONES THAT COME EASY. I'm sorry, I'm in a ~mood. ugh, these two. (It pleases me immensely that they're your default, hee.)
schwarze_ratte: DW - Amy Pondschwarze_ratte on May 14th, 2013 09:36 pm (UTC)
These are so amazing! Very great batch - snagging and will credit. Btw. love most #red herring.
youcallitwinter: the abc of growing up.youcallitwinter on May 14th, 2013 10:43 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for specifying, that's helpful! And I'm glad you liked them :)
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youcallitwinter: all we know is distanceyoucallitwinter on May 14th, 2013 10:50 pm (UTC)
Considering you're an amazing iconer yourself, MUCH OBLIGED, especially since you're not even familiar with the fandom <3

But also, I suck at composition, so the fact that you used that word made me :DD
Kristin: LoVemidnight_owl13 on May 14th, 2013 11:14 pm (UTC)
totally snagged two of them!! I love that you keep making Veronica and Logan icons!
youcallitwinter: someday this will be a story.youcallitwinter on May 14th, 2013 11:21 pm (UTC)
Haha, well, I haven't made any before these, but DAMN, I'm so sure I won't be able to stop now! Thanks :)
Kristin: VL season 3midnight_owl13 on May 15th, 2013 02:19 am (UTC)
I am just happy you made some, so many people dont anymore and I just love Veronica Mars, I cant wait for the movie next year
youcallitwinter: our time is nowyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 06:17 am (UTC)
Considering that pretty much every single one of my icons is currently VM and I've gone crazy looking for more, I agree on the people-not-making-them-anymore thing. I really can't wait for the movie either!
gemma: jb; craigcranmers on May 14th, 2013 11:35 pm (UTC)
Everything you make is so ridiculously amazing D:
youcallitwinter: welcome to the hotel californiayoucallitwinter on May 14th, 2013 11:39 pm (UTC)
I also spend a ridiculous amount of time making stuff DD:
gemma: th; belcranmers on May 14th, 2013 11:55 pm (UTC)
And you have a ridic singular prompting agendum (!!)

You are a ridiculously wonderful person, obviously!
youcallitwinter: things we now knowyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 06:24 am (UTC)
LOL, YOU KNOW I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN ANYONE USE THE WORD AGENDUM BEFORE :D But also, yes I know, hee. This is a terrible situation to be in, I just realized that I've been talking about TVD since more than two years, except so is everyone else on my flist, so that doesn't feel odd. But I've only been talking about VM since a month and half, and it still seems like a lot because no one else is. SO I SINGLE-HANDEDLY PROMPT ALL THINGS \o/
gemma: tt; annecranmers on May 15th, 2013 06:31 am (UTC)
LOL I had to do Latin at school? I did it until A2, so I am very good with all my English words that are derived from Latin because... IDK. I HAD A GOOD LATIN TEACHER BUT A CRAP ENGLISH TEACHER SO MY ENGLISH IS SO-SO D:

Also this said I was a "grammar guru", which makes no sense because I have the worst grammar ever. And I STILLLL have no idea how to work out Hilary's gender! I might look at it again. I did that quiz yesterday morning and 24 hrs later I am still sad about Hilary!

LOL yes talk about non-TVD things!!! Be empowered!!!! Like that one time you prompted The History Boys! That was a good day.
youcallitwinter: we still are made of greed.youcallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 06:40 am (UTC)
They still teach Latin at English schools?! But wow, it always seems so ridiculously hard. And so many words are derived from it, so all the power to you!!

Hahaha, I JUST TOOK THE QUIZ TOO AND GOT HILARY'S GENDER WRONG, I SHOULD'VE PAID MORE ATTENTION. As well as some technical modifier, participle thing, because I have no idea about actualfax grammar things, I've always been terrible at it /o\ But we can be grammar gurus together now.

VM is REALLY making me happy because it's been so long since I've wanted to read fic for any fandom; even the things I like in other fandoms; either there's no fic or somehow I'm not interested in fic. But this is one fandom where there IS fic AND I'm interested, GUH. Nobody writes The History Boys or An Education prompts, BUT THEY SHOULD.
gemma: pe; slyviacranmers on May 15th, 2013 06:53 am (UTC)
LOL I went to a fancy school. Like, IT WASN'T THAT FANCY! Something I have to keep telling everyone. I feel like Benedict Cumberbatch, FML. But it was fancy enough to cling onto the Classics for all they are worth, in the face of all... evidence.

Latin isn't hard! It's actually super logical. I dropped every modern language at school because modern languages = FUCKING HARD. I gave up on being cultured but Latin isn't actually as hard as it seems. The reason it's dying is because it's useless... probs.

OH REALLY?!?! YAAAAY. I was so confused as to how his gender was even discernable at first. It was really... subtle! I got lucky on the Churchill question as well, lol, otherwise I would have slipped from grammar guru spot because I got one of the modifier things wrong as well. BUT YES LET'S BE GRAMMAR GURUS TOGETHER! :D

YAYYYY FOR VM FIC!

Oh my god! There should be! There should be The History Boys fic AND An Education fic. Although... fic is broadening out and I love it? I read some Enid Blyton fic the other day? HESLL YESH TO BROADNESS!!

Edited at 2013-05-15 06:53 am (UTC)
youcallitwinter: all you touch and all you see.youcallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 07:00 am (UTC)
If they were teaching you Latin, it must have been fancy! Haha, J.K.Rowling has a degree in Classics too; v. useful if you want to write famous books apparently. Did you do other languages as well? The only thing I know about Latin is from all the public school boys in children's books cribbing about it, lol.

THAT HILARY'S GENDER THING WAS HARD, I SHOULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. (Actually I should go and study, dammit.) Churchill, I just guessed according to what was wrong with the sentence, but yeah the modifier thing = NO FREAKING CLUE.

Are you serious? Is there GOOD Blyton fic? Because I've been shipping stuff in her books before I even knew what shipping was, since I was like 6 or something!!
gemma: ttss; guillamcranmers on May 15th, 2013 07:18 am (UTC)

OH MY GOD!

Latin's a dead language
As dead as dead can be
It killed the Ancient Romans
And now it's killing me!!!


Y/Y?!?!?!?!

Yeah I went to one of the ~minor public schools. A lot of my extended family as well as some people who I ~interact with periodically - lyf is lyf - went to, like, Good Public Schools (TM) and have always made the difference between myself and 'them' abundantly clear! So when I went to uni and all the people were like YOUR LIFE/SCHOOLING/UPBRINGING/WHATEVER IS FANCY I was like… errr… what?! Because IT WASN'T THAT FANCY BROSKI. It was the very bottom of the pecking order in other circles. But explaining this is… complicated, LMAO. So I have given up. My life is fancy, what up?

Also children's books are the best! YES?!

Speaking of which, there is much Peter Pan fic but very little good fic which makes me sad because PETER PAN. WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALL. Although (anecdote that ties up ENTIRE thread coming up), I found this hilarious fic about Captain Hook at Eton. And I thought I bookmarked it. But I didn't! It was like, my punishment for laughing at someone's fic but I searched and searched and I thought I'd find it again eventually BUT NOTHING. UGH. Why can't I have nice things? (Like Hook's Eton days ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)!

There was nothing wrong with the sentence in the Churchill one? That's why I thought it was based on luck? The question just asked which rule Churchill thought was pedantic or whatever? It like, depends on whether you're familiar with the anecdote, which obviously says nothing about your grammar skills. The modifier thing went over my head as well. Never mind though! 8/10!! WE ARE FRICKIN' GRAMMAR GURUS (LMAO)!

Okay… out of the bits of Blyton fic I found, I really enjoyed ONE? I'll PM it to you! But ITA, took me back to a time before shipping when I was already shipping. And I am really attached to my children's books, as you can probably tell lol. Sometimes I think they should be meta'd a fuckload more than like, TVD, *sigh*

EDIT: HP gets a lot of meta, obviously. I wish the Classics-y bit got more meta LOL? I'm glad I gave it up, but.. still!

Edited at 2013-05-15 07:20 am (UTC)
youcallitwinter: sandbox loveyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 08:20 am (UTC)
HAHAHAHA, THAT IS MOST EXCELLENT. I'm pretty sure I know much more about English boarding schools (at least the literary kind!) because I spent all my years from 6-18 reading. AND THEN THE INTERNET CAME IN :O

And when they came up with Eton Style, I started researching on English Public School culture and it seems there's a lot of resentment between the various classes over it, because it's considered to cater solely to the Haves who eventually end up in the Government or something? At least that's the impression I got from the comments to the articles, lol.

BUT LOL FOREVER@ HOOK-AT-ETON. WHAT. WHAAAAAAT. YOU SHOULD TOTALLY FIND THAT FIC OKAY. But I think there IS a lot of Peter Pan fic. How much of it is good is probably the criteria.

I think the Churchill thing wasn't something he really said, it was that there was something wrong with the sentence and the sentence itself was a demonstration of that, idk :s

I AM REALLY, REALLY attached to children's books too! I still read SO MANY it's ridic. Also, lol at you messaging me unoriginal-liz's fic, we've been friends since LWD days and she's like my favorite fic author so I've read that :D Her Narnia fic (AND ALL HER LWD FIC) is great too!

LOL, I'm sure there's lots of meta on the Classics stuff in HP, but it's probably actually academic analysis rather than meta.
gemmacranmers on May 15th, 2013 08:49 am (UTC)
HAHAHAHAHA. OH THE GREAT BRITISH CLASS SYSTEM. It's the bain of everyone's existence, NGL. Like this one time quite recently I slightly fucked up the automated ticket system on a bus, and all these cockney types appeared from nowhere - well, obviously, they were there, on the bus, but they were ~dormant and they only got antagonistic after they ~judged me and then SEEMED TO APPEAR FROM NOWHERE - and like, legit jeered me off the bus. (Not the first time I've had public transport issues of that manner!) And it's like... HOW DID THEY GET THE BETTER OF ME WHEN I AM SUPPOSED TO BE THE ~DOMINANT CLASS? Ughhh. Obviously that is a false reflection of my class, but, which stresses me out, because if I am to be percieved as oppressive or whatever then I at least feel I should be benefitting from the oppression, which I don't. OH MY GOD I SOUND LIKE BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH. Never repeat this! ;)

Annnnyywaaaayy, oh my god! So you read about Plebgate? BECAUSE PLEBGATE WAS THE BEST. It was my favourite political drama since The Brothers Miliband. (I am such an observer w/r/t politics? Everyone has a viewpoint on the issues and I just popcorn gif it, tbh!)

The present government has a lot of image issues because literally every time David Cameron makes a prominent appointment (not even just in govt., he also like, appointed the new Primate of All England from the same stock, LMAO) it GOES TO AN OLD ETONIAN. It's beyond a joke. EVERY FUCKING TIME. I personally don't fault him for it? But I think it's a huge mistake not to be seen to be doing something for the sake of diversity, at the very least. Also because a wider range of people will be better, but also becuase NO NEED TO HIRE ALL YOUR FRIENDS!!! They're all rich, posh people, they'll get by!

Also, spot Messirs Cameron, Johnson and Osbourne! :P



This is what they did in their uni days...

But yes, people who went to public schools have an easy time getting into the establishment, by and large. The better the school, the better the chance. (I have no chance, btw, so it's allll goood.)

LOL didn't Hook canonically go to Eton? His last words are "Floreat Etona"? BUT THIS FIC WAS HILARIOUS! HILARIOUS!!!!!!

LOL @ the Churchill thing. It obviously went over my head. I only did it quickly but I have heard an anecdote about Churchill and infinitives or whatever in the past so I got confused, LOL.

Also, lol at you messaging me unoriginal-liz's fic, we've been friends since LWD days and she's like my favorite fic author so I've read that :D Her Narnia fic (AND ALL HER LWD FIC) is great too!

LOL well I had no idea!!! I just discovered fanfiction.com! Like.. less than a week ago. Somewhere on there is a hook eton fic, I think.

OMG ZOE WHEN YOU ARE DONE WITH EXAMS HAVE A CHILDREN'S BOOK FICATHON?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!

I still haven't gone off them. I bought the sequel to Winnie the Pooh well into my teens! And there is nerdy kids book called Mimus that I bought when I was thirteen and have read literally once every year of my life since, as well as the classics, ofc. like Peter Pan and The Jungle Book and everything by Philip Pullman (HIS DARK MATERIALSSS)!!! I am like twelve on the inside, it's a serious issue!

LOL, I'm sure there's lots of meta on the Classics stuff in HP, but it's probably actually academic analysis rather than meta.

Sounds awesome, tbh.

Edited at 2013-05-15 08:50 am (UTC)
natchrisnatchris on May 15th, 2013 01:57 am (UTC)
fantastic!!
youcallitwinter: we pass just close enough to touchyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 06:25 am (UTC)
Thank you! :)
most adorable zombie ever: Shameless - coney island queenscorpiod1 on May 15th, 2013 08:36 am (UTC)
god I love your icons, they're all so great and well done. I'm kinda particularly in love with your softer world renditions eeek.

(I need to read your VM fic though omg I just haven't had time yet because of school but also I've forgotten most of my VM feelings tbh it's been so looooong)
youcallitwinter: sandbox loveyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 09:48 am (UTC)
Those are my favorites too omg. I now have this urge to make just a softer world set of icons, haha.

I'm in such a terrible place, Scorp! I just saw it and I'm MADLY in love, but everyone's over it, alas. I'm hoping that the movie is going to make everyone rewatch and make the fandom active again! (Also, I literally cannot seem to stop writing for it, even though I'm guessing by now no one's interested. THIS IS A CURSE.)
most adorable zombie ever: stock - the road less traveledscorpiod1 on May 15th, 2013 10:15 am (UTC)
omg do it. THE WORLD NEEDS A SOFTER WORLD ICONS :D

BUT RIDING THAT NEW FANDOM HIGH IS ALWAYS AWESOME. MAYBE I SHOULD REWATCH but I only have the first season and my discs are kinda dirty /o\ (tbh I am in awe and somewhat envious of your fic output HOW DO YOU IT I MUST KNOW YOUR SECRETS)
youcallitwinter: but I keep them in a box under my bedyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 03:47 pm (UTC)
I GET HYPERACTIVE ABOUT THINGS LIKE ASW, WHY DOES IT EXIST.

AND YOU ARE RIGHT. In fact it's the first time in so long that I've wanted to read and write fic. Most things that I like I somehow haven't felt like reading for in a long while, including TVD, Community etc. And since I'm mainstream shipping there is SO MUCH to read and it's quality GUH. :D

I am usually lazy is how I write fic tbqh, except VM is making me want to write actual fic and not only play fancily with words in a 1000 word comment-fic, so yay. Usually I just write all at once, because if I break then I get tired of it. There was also that one time I wrote 23,000 words for a prompt. I can be pretty awful that way. Imagine the person who had to read that as an answer to their prompt, hee. But I never participate in challenges because I can't stand being on schedules. I HAVE SO MUCH VM FIC I WANT TO WRITE OMG, WHY IS THIS MY LIFE.
Jade: Logan Echolls in lemon mmmfickledame on May 15th, 2013 07:50 pm (UTC)
These are gorgeous. Have taken 'no one writes song about the ones that come easy.'

Thank you!
youcallitwinter: the way that I want youyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
Haha, I'm always afraid that I'm in the WANT VM ICONS phase all by myself. So, thanks :)
Jadefickledame on May 15th, 2013 08:06 pm (UTC)
Never! It's lovely to see someone still making them, and including S3 which got rarer.
youcallitwinter: our winding roadsyoucallitwinter on May 15th, 2013 08:08 pm (UTC)
I just saw it a month or so back for the first time and since then I've been fic/icon-ing and basically making up fandom all by myself eight years later, hee. I'm hoping the movie sparks off a mass rewatch and revival of fandom!
ever_neutral: [vm] logan + veronica = bloodshedever_neutral on May 18th, 2013 06:38 am (UTC)
OK so I took some of these the other day but forgot to comment so here I am now. JSYK THESE ARE SOME VERY ATTRACTIVE ICONS and I endorse you now making VM icons. Good.
youcallitwinter: we still are made of greed.youcallitwinter on May 18th, 2013 05:11 pm (UTC)
WELL, considering that it's your choice of icons that opened me to Things Happening In An Icon and not just negative space, ALWAYS HAPPY WHEN YOU LIKE SOMETHING \o/
ghanima sun: bsgghanimasun on May 21st, 2013 04:32 am (UTC)
Love all the work put into these, and definitely saving some!
youcallitwinter: there is such a lot of world to see.youcallitwinter on May 21st, 2013 09:10 am (UTC)
Considering that now I can't seen to stop iconing them, that's really good to know! Thanks :)
Sanya: Veronica Mars: LoVesanya4 on August 1st, 2013 09:21 pm (UTC)
Wow, so many beautiful icons. I especially like "petitio principii" and ASW #2. That AC #2 icon is breaking my shipper heart. ;)
youcallitwinter: welcome to the hotel californiayoucallitwinter on August 5th, 2013 08:44 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much, it's lovely hearing from you! (And Piz totally broke my shipper heart, but I like that we'll get resolution in the movie :D)
Sanyasanya4 on August 5th, 2013 09:55 pm (UTC)
Yes, I hope we really will get resolution in the movie.