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03 October 2011 @ 06:51 pm
In which I procrastinate like it's my job [The End of The Affair]  

COMMUNITY IS BACK.

(And with lots of inappropriate Jeff/Annie. My weeks are SO MADE.)



Jeff: When you feel the way I feel about you, the easy loophole through the creepiness and danger is to treat them like a child. ‘Chip off the old block.’ ‘You’re the best, kiddo!’ It’s a crutch. It’s a way for me to tell you how important you are from a distance. But now you’re becoming this mature, self possessed, intelligent young woman, and I can’t keep patting you on the head or talking down to you. 
Annie: But I like how close we are. I don’t want to grow up if it means losing what we have.
Jeff: Well, tough, Annie. You have to grow up because the world needs more women like you. We can’t keep doing this forever, kiddo.
Annie: Can’t we?

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*FANGIRLS*

Moving on to The End of The Affair. (WIN ON THE GRAHAM GREENE TITLE. I love how they take their titles from various intellectual sources, it makes me feel smart watching it-- considering it is called Vampire Diaries and all.)

First, MUCH THANKS TO brightstarmara FOR HER WEEKLY LINKS. YOU ARE SO, SO EPIC. <3

I’m going to get all my unpopular opinions and issues done before I move on, because this is an epic episode and deserves all the fangirl moments it gets.
 
I think why I’m particularly annoyed by the ‘Let’s save Stefan’ shenanigans this episode is not because the individual scenes were bad (they weren’t, they were really good actually), but because the entire thing was so contrived. And contrived in a way that made everyone involved look slightly stupid. It’s not characters being stupid; it’s the writing that makes them seem stupid. Including Klaus. At this moment, I just want to roll with the theory that Klaus knows all and is orchestrating his grand moment of revelation, because if he isn’t, then the show’s making him the most incompetent Super Villain in the history of forever.
 
And, I never got the ‘they’re risking their lives to save Stefan’ vibe, all I got was ‘man, srsly, if this wasn’t a tv show and they weren’t the main actors (and a lot of other little things like, y’know, ‘if vampires existed’ etc), they’d so be kicking it by now.’ Because Klaus, The Baddest Hybrid There Is, can’t tell that Elena is in the room? And he doesn’t wonder where Stefan is when Damon randomly comes and sits by him? CONTRIVED, I TELL YOU.
 
- Also I got a much too strong ‘I can save you!’ message from this particular episode, which is sad because the show has been trying really hard to avoid that particular cliché. They’ve even made lots of meta-references to movies which use this. And they’ve done a really good job so far, everyone can tell that Elena’s love is not going to ‘save’ Damon, and rather it tends to push him to actively revolt against his feelings (think Elena’s hug followed by Jessica’s murder). And here too, I suppose the ultimate message was Stefan finally walking away, even if he didn’t mean half the things he said. So the show got it, basically. But here, for once, I want the character to get it. I want Elena to go back to being kickass and suicidal in a completely self-aware way, not suicidal in the I-could-die-while-crossing-the-road sort-of way or adhering to the stereotype of the angst-ridden female lead of a show which has two hot vampire brothers fighting over her. Like, I’m always able to defend her actions, at least to myself, and even now I know I can add a different spin to it, the problem is, this time, I don’t want to. I know Stefan saved her once and she wants to save him now and that she’s lost way too many people. Problem is that’s not what I got when I watched this time. I can theorize all I want, but it’s not what the show made me feel. Elena is smart, her deal with Elijah would've gotten her exactly what she wanted if Damon hadn't screwed it up. But this time, trying to vervain her boyfriend to what....? Drag him back? It made NO sense D:
 
But apart from that, the show was A+++++++
 
- KATHERINE IS BACK. And, my god, she is so fierce. I love how she’s all ‘so ‘sup, I’m not gonna ruin my reputation for being a heartless bitch but here’s everything you need to know to save your brother/get yourself killed. And Damon, it was always Stefan. kbye.”
 
I also love how Damon can’t seem to get her out of his system completely, and the way he’s always on the defensive whenever he speaks to her. And his expression every time she says something that makes it obvious that it was always Stefan for her? Oh, Damon. On a completely kiddie-pool-deep note, she was gorgeous each time she appeared on the screen; I adored the 20’s hairstyle. Also, Super Sleuth!Katherine, who would’ve thunk it? The girl’s basically been stalking Stefan since forever. In her way she was as devoted to him as Damon was to her. I think this all-consuming adoration is something they share in common. Pretty epic, that.
 
And silly Damon, this is Katherine. Of course she’s in Chicago, of course she is.
 
- STEFAN NEEDS TO STAY IN THE 20’S FOREVER, BASICALLY. The suits, the dancing, the unapologetic blood-drinking, the cockiness, the looks I am shallow alright. They were all glorious. PAUL WESELY, YOU WERE TOTALLY BORN IN THE WRONG DECADE, YOU WERE MADE FOR THE 20’s D: Evil people being unapologetically evil on my screen just makes me happy /issues.
 
Also, what’s really different about Stefan’s ripper!phase from the good ol’ 20’s as compared to the present-time, is a) as Stefan mentioned, it took him thirty years to rehabilitate b) he’d switched the button off that time.
 
This is always a very debatable topic, but the way I see it is that switching the button off is like shutting off the super-ego and completely giving in to the urges of the id. Basically, vampires who’ve switched ‘off’ their button are rather like werewolves, i.e., they are not morally responsible for their actions. For instance, blaming Tyler for trying to attack Caroline or Matt would be rather redundant because Tyler, during his transformation, is NOT human, he exists at the level of the bestial; he’s incapable of moral judgment. Similarly, vampires without their ‘feelings’ are not human at all. They’re highly functional beasts. However, in this case, Stefan is making choices. He’s fully aware of what he’s doing and each kill therefore is carried out while he’s still trapped within the ambit of retaining his humanity.
 
And ironically enough, this is exactly what is most dangerous.
 
The idea being that it’s much easier to convert someone when they’ve ‘switched it off’ simply by convincing them to flip the switch back on; the remorse and guilt is bound to be devastating. Which is what happened in Stefan’s case earlier. He couldn’t stand the remorse that the knowledge of his actions generated and completely repressed all his vampire urges as much as he could; going so far as to reject blood-drinking entirely. But, if the same actions are carried out as Stefan is; while still trying to hold onto his humanity then there always remains the fear that this attempt can lead to him losing his humanity entirely. That he might just eventually be numbed by all the killing, and by default; used to it. The guilt remains a constant, he probably feels it each time he kills, but eventually it’s bound to be dulled, or at least it can’t possibly have the same impact that the avalanche of feelings would have had had he been switching his feelings on after a long period.
 
Which is obviously what Klaus is aiming for. This is also why he doesn’t compel Stefan to become his old ripper self, which would be ridiculously easy. He knows Stefan will still do anything to protect his brother, and that he still cares, but he doesn’t do anything about it because, in the long run, it doesn’t matter.
 
Highly engaging stuff :O
 
(Of course since Stefan is one of the leads, he will probably have a redemption arc, however, I can’t help thinking it’ll gloss over this particular issue entirely).
 
- When they’re not being stupid, Damon and Elena continue their BrOTP run and it is so much fun to watch on screen! Damon’s typical, illegitimate entry into Elena’s bed, her reaction to him, their banter, it’s all so season one, it legit makes me go all starry-eyed. Elena really got some of the best lines and Damon some of the best reactions.
 
And this show really does love its parallels; you had Damon raiding Elena’s underwear drawer yet again (also, whoa, Elena, you just made writing smut!fic a whole lot more fun. Who wants to bet that within the next week there’ll be at least five fics that reference Elena’s red lace panties?) coupled with Elena’s hilarious outrage. And Damon and Elena in the car again (“eyes on the road, grandma.”) The interesting thing being that even the angle from which that was shot was similar to the road-trip shots in Bloodlines. Damon’s head tilt made me feel for a moment that I was watching Bloodlines. Which is awesome because this allowed a point of comparison and of contrast of the two scenes; Elena’s wariness is replaced by long suffering ‘why do I put up with this guy’ looks along with a certain muted attraction, while Damon’s inscrutability is replaced by a pretend inscrutability through which he’s so painfully obvious and in love and it’s adorable. [Also Ian’s ‘Stefan’ voice is never not hilarious]. And through it all the major change is that this time Elena doesn’t need to ask Damon if she can trust him.
 
I don’t want them to get together or anything, I want them to continue like this for as long as possible (although I shall not say no to some sexytimes. Although what REALLY needs to happen sometime is Stefan/Elena/Damon ‘I’ve got you back and I won’t let you go’ angsty sex, js). Also Damon’s pretend casual ‘are you okay’ was amazing; he just tries so hard to fit his own stereotype and he just can’t.
 
- Also, Damon’s expression whenever Elena’s not looking at him, just GUH. It’s really wonderful how Ian managed that half-amused, half-tender expression. Especially because it vanishes so quickly when Elena does look at him and is easily replaced by his usual smirk. But it does exist for those few moments and it makes me melt each time <3
 
 
- What I’m really interested in is what the holy grail of TV relationships is. For instance, we know that Elena is willing to accept Stefan after all the murders and thinks she can change him. And now I REALLY want him to sleep with Rebekah, like, really. Because I want to know if even metaphorical ‘cheating’ is the breaking point for a relationship like theirs. Would Elena accept Stefan if he slept with another woman? (Basic question being that would Stefan sleep with another woman in the first place, to which I’m all, HE SHOULD. Because it’d be interesting to see how the dynamic changes, and he WAS in love with this woman once and now he must’ve felt those feelings return since Klaus’s compulsion was lifted D:) And if he doesn’t, it’s like he wouldn’t betray Elena like that, which is sweet and I get it, but I think the other scenario makes for a far more compelling angle. Like, you killed a million people and that’s fine BUT YOU SLEPT WITH THAT BLONDE CHICK (honey, Marilyn Monroe was there first. Oh okay, maybe not technically but…) ON TOP OF THAT? GTFO OF MY LIFE.
 
- Speaking of; OH MY GOD, HOW AWESOME IS IT THAT WE GOT A BRATTY ORIGINAL BABY SISTER? [I’m still judging you hard for not bringing Elijah back though, show]. I really loved her character; the way she put Stefan in his place (and his and his friends’ reactions were so typical of the male species, especially in the ‘20’s, it made me laugh and roll my eyes. A woman approaching to reprimand you is basically ‘interested’, lol). The way she manipulated and then fell in love with Stefan was magnificent. And her hiding and subsequent staking of Klaus after waking up? SHE WAS SO MUCH THE LITTLE SISTER IT MADE ME HAPPY.
 
- Also from which, I couldn’t possibly be the only one getting HEAVILY INCESTUOUS vibes from Klaus? I mean, I usually get heavily incestuous vibes from anyone and anything that included siblings (yes, I;ve booked a first class ticket to the ninth circle of hell, thank you) But here, it didn’t even seem like it was ALL in my mind. The guy was almost too possessive, and his expression was smouldering when he looked at Stefan dancing with Rebekah. Unless he was just looking at Stefan? In which case, it all makes sense, however, as always, I go with incest. He was basically all ‘lol, have fun with her, but she won’t stay with you cuz she always chooses me. Good luck with that bro’. OMG, STEFAN/REBEKAH/KLAUS FIC, WHERE ARE YOU?
 
- KLAUS HAS BEEN CRUSHING ON STEFAN SINCE THE 1920’S, YOU GUYS. THIS IS WHAT EPIC LOVE STORIES ARE MADE OF. <333
 
- And the history of the necklace! It’s been an important running motif throughout but I’m never really sat and thought about it apart from how it’s used in the S/E/D triangle. But I LOVE it when shows add more to something you hadn’t even realized you wanted to know more about, or could play an important part in the plot (Lost is so devastatingly good at that). And that almost everything arises from a context and doesn’t exist in suspension. It’s all the more ironic because it is basically a symbol of love but of another love.
 
- Also, Caroline gay dad teaching her to repress her instincts and trying to torture the vampire out of her like it’s a life choice or a condition? WHAT WAS THAT ANGLE EVEN? Unless it was a meta nod to the aspect of being gay itself, and the ridiculousness of that sort of extreme, uninformed reaction to it? In which case, well played, show.
 
- Caroline broke my heart this episode because this is the first time we’ve seen what she actually feels about being a vampire. She’s devastated; throughout you could palpably feel that she thought her daddy was right. That she is a monster and she has to live with that knowledge every day. And though it all you could tell she loves this guy. Maybe more than anyone else. And the worst it that he did what he did because he loves her. THIS DYSFUNCTION, I CAN’T. Her face right before “Daddy why won’t you talk to me?” I just, that was possibly the most heart-breaking expression I’ve ever seen on television. Oh, Caroline. I just want to hug her.
 
- BUT THEN THERE WAS SHERRIF FORBES BEING AN AWESOME MOTHER AND THE EPISODE WAS MADE. I loved that she had the active role in saving Caroline and Tyler aided. That made so much more sense than Tyler being the one to rescue her. And then he stayed with her and held her when she cried? Perfect couple is perfect.
 
- Also I’m waiting to see how the Damon/Elena aspect is going to be furthered without the show making it seem as if she got rejected by one brother and ran into the arms of the other. YOU BETTER NOT MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THAT SHOW, THAT’S JUST GIVING FANDOM REASON TO HATE ON ELENA. And this fandom hates way too much on Elena as it is /sigh.
 
- Also,the make up department for this show REALLY makes me *headdesk* ; Ease up on the guyliner for Ian, srsly. I don’t get it; the guy has amazing eyes, he has awesome hair, why would they deliberately try to sabotage it that often; it makes NO sense? DD:

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ALSO, THE BIG BANGS ARE OUT. SO MUCH FIC TO READ OMG OMG. People from my flist who've participated are waltzmatildah badboy_fangirl and lit_chick08. AND EACH OF THEM IS SURE TO BLOW YOUR MIND. GO READ NOW.
 
 
 
нσω ∂σ уσυ нσℓ∂ α мσση вєαм ιη уσυʀ нαη∂?: diaries ♔ elena; bomb in a birdcagefiddlings on October 3rd, 2011 01:29 pm (UTC)
MY JEFF/ANNIE HEART IS SO HAPPY. ♥

I love how they take their titles from various intellectual sources, it makes me feel smart watching it-- considering it is called Vampire Diaries and all.

SAME. The Faulkner titles at the end of last season were my favorite, probably.

KATHERINE IS BACK. And, my god, she is so fierce. I love how she’s all ‘so ‘sup, I’m not gonna ruin my reputation for being a heartless bitch but here’s everything you need to know to save your brother/get yourself killed. And Damon, it was always Stefan. kbye.”

THIS THIS THIS. I cannot even explain to you how happy I was when she popped up on screen. Better yet, when she showed up in the promo for next week. In a way that seems to suggest she'll actually be involved. It's kind of ridiculous, how much I missed her.

Bah, I don't have time to make it through this entire entry; I need to get back to studying. But I will be back later when I have more time because this episode deserves discussion.
youcallitwinter: just to waste my time with you.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 03:48 pm (UTC)
I KNOW, RIGHT? Like, I adored all their interactions really and for once Jeff's speech was so self-aware and Annie's expression and "can't we"? GUH.

Haha, yeah, As I Lay Dying indeed. :P

I WANT KATHERINE TO BE INVOLVED ALWAYS. Honestly, I just keep remembering that neither she nor Caroline have the Main Characters immunity and my heart just stops. D:

Best of luck with work! This entry is ridiculously long as it is, and I'd promised myself I wouldn't do this episode recap thing /sigh.
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youcallitwinter: hell yeah.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 03:54 pm (UTC)
Aww, I hope you feel better soon! This entry really is ridiculously long and it's enough to give you a headache on top of your headache :s

tefan looked hot; Damon and Elena emit complete hotness; Katherine was the shit, as per usual; Caroline and Tyler are adorbs beyond words; Jeremy and Matt scenes were nice, I felt bad for Matt. Klaus. Oh, Klaus. He's just a handsome little devil.

Hahahah, BASICALLY EVERYTHING I SAID IN A HUNDRED WORDS OR LESS. When I write a thesis, I shall definitely consult you on the summation :D

Oh, completely agreed, I REALLY want to see Stefan/Rebekah explored; this show usually tends to break lots of comfort zones, so it'll be highly interesting to see them actually bringing love to a realistic ground level instead of the usual idealization that all teen shows seem to run with.

Aww, get well sooooon/go to sleep <333
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ever_neutral: katherine ~ i wasn't lostever_neutral on October 3rd, 2011 02:49 pm (UTC)
Totally agreed about the writing-contrivance-induced stupidity of characters. That's pretty much all I have to say about that!

And here too, I suppose the ultimate message was Stefan finally walking away, even if he didn’t mean half the things he said. So the show got it, basically. But here, for once, I want the character to get it.

I don't disagree at all. The thing is, I think this is going to be a LONG process for Elena. Stefan has SERIOUS psychological significance to Elena. If she "saves" him, then she'll be redeemed. If she fails, the weight of getting all five of her parents killed will crush her. Accepting that she can't save Stefan will mean a need for serious reexamination of her identity, which could be too much right now. She's going to be in Denial Mode for as long as she's able, purely as a survival mechanism.

WHATEVER WHATEVER, DAMON/KATHERINE IS EPIC. REWATCHING THEIR PHONE CALLS 10 MILLION TIMES. STFU LET ME FEEL THESE FEELINGS.

GODDAMN '20S STEFAN. #i've never been more aroused.gif

And, well, you know me, SUICIDAL TEENAGE MARTYR/PSYCHOTIC JACKASS SERIAL KILLER BROTP FOREVER AND EVER AMEN. All your thoughts about the parallels are mine, too. (Nobody is surprised.) Also: And through it all the major change is that this time Elena doesn’t need to ask Damon if she can trust him. -- OH. Yes. Honestly, this is way better than S1 for me. Bloodlines is cute, but there wasn't exactly much depth to their relationship then. Snark is always good, but it's ALWAYS BETTER with an underlying bond of a friendship that has been to hell and back! And WORD to wanting them to continue on like this for AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. (Fuck, even when they eventually get to the fucking, I STILL want them to just be like this.)

Also Damon’s pretend casual ‘are you okay’ was amazing; he just tries so hard to fit his own stereotype and he just can’t.

UGH, BEST SUMMATION OF HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER.

Stefan legit broke up with Elena this episode, no? So, really, he can bang Rebecca all he wants. It'd be hilarious if Elena was more pissed about that than the mass-murdering, though. Also ridonk. But word, Stefan should go bang everyone who isn't Elena. LET'S CHANGE IT UP A BIT, LOL.

You are not imagining the incestuous vibes re: Klaus and Rebekah. They're there with Klaus and Elijah, too. This is The Vampire Diaries. Just run with it. That said, nothing will stop my Klefan heart.

It’s all the more ironic because it is basically a symbol of love but of another love.

Ha, right? I am actually wincing for Stefan/Elena.

Undecided about the Caroline torture plot. We'll see how the show continues to treat Bill. I don't have real high hopes, but I'll reserve judgment.

I'm with you on being pissed @ the make-up department, lol. It's fucking weird, because I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing any last episode???

P.S. Your animated icons are scrumptious. *snags many*
ever_neutral: d/e ~ the idiot shipever_neutral on October 3rd, 2011 02:57 pm (UTC)
oh, and here's an absurdly long speculative comment about damon/elena, btw
Also I’m waiting to see how the Damon/Elena aspect is going to be furthered without the show making it seem as if she got rejected by one brother and ran into the arms of the other. YOU BETTER NOT MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THAT SHOW, THAT’S JUST GIVING FANDOM REASON TO HATE ON ELENA. And this fandom hates way too much on Elena as it is /sigh.

OK, dood, I have srs bsns thoughts on this. (Sit comfortably, lol.)

I have seen people worrying that now that Stefan/Elena is "over", Elena is totes gonna run into Damon's arms and… just, no. Remember how Elena is Miss River of Denial? I don't just mean ~THE PASSION SHE CONTINUES TO DENY--I really don't think it's a matter of "Elena just needs to realise that she returns Damon's feelings and all will be well!" FUCK, NO. I feel like this never gets talked about, but seriously--Elena coming to terms with the possibility that she returns Damon's feelings isn't a GOOD thing for her; it has the power to FUCK HER UP COMPLETELY. It would totally unhinge her view of the world and of herself, and loosen the already-weak grip on her life that she has. Which is to say, Elena is going to try to hold on to that semblance of control AS THOUGH HER LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.

I said this to somebody else today but I'll say it to you because I want your thoughts: That "I want you to remember" scene? I don't think it opened the floodgates, or heralded the beginning of Elena falling seriously for Damon. I think it served to introduce the central conflict for the ship this season, which is Elena mentally comparing Damon to her dream of Stefan.

Sadly, I think this'll most definitely increase Elena hate. But honestly, it's exactly the type of conflict I want for them. Stuff like Elena seeing Stefan's board of victims and then turning the conversation back on to Damon? Audibly making a sound of disgust at his reprehensibleness, while completely glossing over Stefan's? MAN, it's fascinating. And I LOVE it. I honestly do. I love it for two reasons: 1) The utter lack of idealisation in their relationship. Elena will look Damon in the eye with disgust. On that note, 2) She has ALL THE EMOTIONAL POWER. Damon may have "won" that last round, but goddamn, can Elena fight back. And the fact that she's unafraid to be really angry with him actually indicates a level of trust in their relationship that's unprecedented in her life. She can hate him as much as she wants, bitch him out, manipulate him, take out all her anger on him, etc. because she knows that he's not going to leave her. She does not have to save him.

All of which is to say: I THINK WE CAN EXPECT EVEN MORE AWESOMELY BITCHY!ELENA THIS SEASON, YO. \o/ \o/ \o/
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youcallitwinter: just to waste my time with you.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 05:07 pm (UTC)
Aww, really? That makes made me so happy :D
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Shaitanah: damon/elenaistne_pieklo on October 3rd, 2011 04:29 pm (UTC)
Caroline's Dad is so weird)) Maybe he's not even gay? XDDD
I love the epic crush Klaus has on Stefan. Dammit, I think I like Klaus now... But I agree: it's annoying that the writers are making him look stupid by creating such scenes as the one with Elena in the closet. I'll be really disappointed if he doesn't reveal that he's known about her all along.
Damon is Elena's bed is WIN!
It was such a pleasure to see Katherine back. Elena annoys me most of the time, but Nina does such a great job playing such different characters. Katherine is always fun to watch.
youcallitwinter: hell yeah.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 05:11 pm (UTC)
I know, right? Imagining torturing your own daughter D: The show did say he lives with his male partner but they haven't developed it yet!

I totally didn't like Klaus earlier, but now I really do! Although, yes, he's really powerful apparently and not realizing Elena was there, I dunno, that just seems ridiculous. D:

I LOVED THE SCENE IN HER BED, he just takes EVERY opportunity to freak her out, haha.

I LOVE HOW KATHERINE IS SO EPICALLY SENSUAL. Like the way she walks and talks and everything, she just oozes sex appeal! And definitely fun to watch!
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Gabby: tyler carolinegabby227 on October 3rd, 2011 05:05 pm (UTC)
There is SO much in that rambling that I agree with. SO MUCH. The scenes with Caroline being tortured by her father are just heartbreaking. At the time of watching it, Jeff looked at me and said, "If they kill her off, you're going to be pissed" and I was like, "I'll never watch the show again" (which, of course I would, to get my dose of Damon, I freaking love him!) I love the relationship between Tyler/Caroline (I'm really close to shipping them like I ship Damon/Caroline). I love the fact that he was the one to save her (and I knew that Liz could never hurt Caroline. She loves her too much to see anything bad happen to her) and I also love the fact that Liz was there and almost shot Bill. I don't think I would have had the same restraint not to shoot him, because what he did was just bogus.

I really love the scenes with Stefan/Klaus and I agree with what you said about the errors (what I'm calling the errors). How could Elena be in the same room as Klaus and he just doesn't know? That just makes no freaking sense. And I think I'm starting to love Rebekah/Stefan. The flashbacks to the 20's were, like, epic. I loved them, and he looked so good! I love that Stefan. I agree that you said, Paul Wesley was made for the 20's. YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

Anyway, I love the icons, and I'm so freaking happy that you made some of Caroline/Tyler, and of course the Damon/Elena icons. I'm taking several.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
OMG, HAVEN'T SEEN YOU AROUND IN AGES. HOW HAVE YOU BEEN?

I know, it's like whenever I think about the fact that it's possible for Caroline to get killed (unlike, say, Damon, Stefan and Elena) I get panic attacks. WHAT WILL I WATCH THE SHOW FOR THEN? Although haha, yeah I'd continue watching as well, but I'd be sad throughout. And OMG, Tyler/Caroline is so much adorableness (although I loved that one D/C scene in the first episode when she hands him the bottle and scolds him for missing the cake like the bamf she is; that's how desperate I am, lol). And Caroline/her mom is one of the BEST, most realistic relationships on this show and I love it so much. I wonder what role Bill will play now!

OMG, STILL NOT OVER '20'S STEFAN; SO HOT. And Klaus needs to up his game, constantly being outwitted by Elena/Damon/Stefan makes me LOL a little. Elijah seems so much more competent, but then he too keeps getting staked, so I don't even know what to say anymore, lol. REALLY HOPING FOR SOME Stefan/Rebekah, they had some amazing chesmitry!

Thank youuuu, so glad you liked them <33
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comeundone_82: peek a boo Elenacomeundone_82 on October 3rd, 2011 05:47 pm (UTC)
Grrr OK I hate LJ and my inability to quote right and WHY is there no edid button for posts?!

Ah well here we go...

Of course you like Community too and Jeff/ Annie *LOL*

Ok so I basically wantto quote your whole post - and just say AMEN! It´s so made of win and truth.


"Moving on to The End of The Affair. (WIN ON THE GRAHAM GREENE TITLE. I love how they take their titles from various intellectual sources, it makes me feel smart watching it-- considering it is called Vampire Diaries and all.)"


You know as you said last week, people don´t expect it but yes this show can do intelligent. This week had so many twists and turns - I was watching in my end of the week/ glass of wine mode and appearently I had too much wine to fully get the ep at 1st *LOL* the latter being my excuse to be at peace with the issues you mentioned. They just didn´t matter IMO for the overall plot.
Plus, I don´t know I find their actions in character. Damon has always been naive when it comes to that. s1 is the proof - he always acts and thinks about them later when he is emotional about them. Rescuing Stefan has clearly gotten to him and he´s on the edge about it as well...maybe more as Elena? Who just seems lost and IMO uses her get Stefan back mission to avoid thinking about certain issues in her own life. It´s like her misson to focus on and block the rest of her messy life out. So in the end, their helpless and naive attempt to get Stefan back is ruined and leaves them more tragic and lost than ever.

"On a completely kiddie-pool-deep note, she was gorgeous each time she appeared on the screen; I adored the 20’s hairstyle. "

THIS SO MUCH I was like girl crushing forever on Nina there, WANT WANT WANT - Ok 20ies were just the most gorgeous era ever anyway...

Love what you think about Klaus&Stefan and the whole switching off! Very insightful.

"The interesting thing being that even the angle from which that was shot was similar to the road-trip shots in Bloodlines. Damon’s head tilt made me feel for a moment that I was watching Bloodlines. Which is awesome because this allowed a point of comparison and of contrast of the two scenes; Elena’s wariness is replaced by long suffering ‘why do I put up with this guy’ looks along with a certain muted attraction, while Damon’s inscrutability is replaced by a pretend inscrutability through which he’s so painfully obvious and in love and it’s adorable. [Also Ian’s ‘Stefan’ voice is never not hilarious]. And through it all the major change is that this time Elena doesn’t need to ask Damon if she can trust him."

Hell to the yes, I´m not the only one noticing ♥ ♥ ♥ even the light reflections in the window!!! And well all things Bloodlines are magic forever and ever and EVER!!!

"- Also, Damon’s expression whenever Elena’s not looking at him, just GUH. It’s really wonderful how Ian managed that half-amused, half-tender expression. Especially because it vanishes so quickly when Elena does look at him and is easily replaced by his usual smirk. But it does exist for those few moments and it makes me melt each time <3"

My fav part of that scene, well also the cuddeling in general and that little pat she was giving him - like an old married couple! Too freaking adorable for words - seriously! and the reason I want them together like yesterday. I don´t know how much longer I can take that banter and hints without going crazy I want to jump through the screen because of that *LOL*



comeundone_82: Damon bathtubecomeundone_82 on October 3rd, 2011 05:50 pm (UTC)
ooooooppps I ended up quoting almost your whole post and hit the character limit *LOL*

"Also from which, I couldn’t possibly be the only one getting HEAVILY INCESTUOUS vibes from Klaus? "

LOL you know since this is TVD and in the end is about relationships I always wondered whom they had in mind for Klaus or if they would make an exception for him. I couldn´t picture him with anyone yet (but Stefan *LOL* and yep, it´s not a brotherly vibe that truly is Stefan&Damon) but yeah...he clicked with the actress so...eek. I get what you mean ;)

"- And the history of the necklace! It’s been an important running motif throughout but I’m never really sat and thought about it apart from how it’s used in the S/E/D triangle. But I LOVE it when shows add more to something you hadn’t even realized you wanted to know more about, or could play an important part in the plot (Lost is so devastatingly good at that). And that almost everything arises from a context and doesn’t exist in suspension. It’s all the more ironic because it is basically a symbol of love but of another love."

You know my issues with that necklace and I rejoiced at that I was grinning like an idiot and I still am LOVING THIS DETAIL TO PIECES and it adds up to the fact that IMO Stefan and Elena are over. To answer your question about what can be forgiven/ what Elena is capable to forgive. IMO it doesn´t matter if he sleeps with Rebecca or not.
What I really would like about this show is having the Stefan/ Elena stuff of s1+2 and now having them move on develop - if this show manages to write a teen show without having the main lead going back and forth between the main lovers before it ends (a la Dawson´s Creek) it will be one fine show. And here I am having high hopes for this and it´s a first. IMO with this ep they made the show so complex beyond the triangle premise. The break up scene maybe feel flat emotionally but maybe that was on purpose. It is already over. I´m not getting any love vibes from Stefan anymore and with Elena it´s even more of a shadow of it. Her motives being different, see what I meant above, but they reinvented Stefan completely and set up a whole different plot/ storyline for the show. IF there is going to be a redemption arc I believe it´s like Stefan said, it´s never going to be the same.
Maybe I´ll be proven wrong in the end it will be just your average teen soap drama but with the originals they have so much to explore, so many character and so much potential.

Ok what elese...oh yes your icons. Stunning as always ♥ ♥ ♥
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Frust-sheep: things: computer coffee lovefrust_sheep on October 3rd, 2011 05:54 pm (UTC)
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful! :)
youcallitwinter: just to waste my time with you.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 07:12 pm (UTC)
Aww, thank you so much! <33
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Damon love first sightbadboy_fangirl on October 3rd, 2011 06:25 pm (UTC)
I decided to let the contrivances go when Stefan zipped from Memphis back to Mystic Falls all in one day (it's a 12 hour drive) which boded well for Damon and Elena's jaunt to Chicago from MF because that's a 13 hour drive.

But sometimes, I can't really tell that you like this show? It's sort of weird, because I know you do, but you don't like a lot of things about it. I think I just love it so much, the flaws don't really even phase me.

Plus, something weird has started happening where I ship Stefan/Elena now, so I'm obviously batshit crazy.

And Damon and Elena make up for anything amiss anyway. I love them so much that their perfection overshadows everything. And I'm really looking forward to the moment when both of them realize that she's trying to make Damon BADDER to make Stefan GOODER and it doesn't work, at all, for either of them anymore.
youcallitwinter: hell yeah.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 07:12 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I did not know this stuff; actually this is the worst while writing fic because I want to be all accurate but I have no personal experience so I have to either research or just wing it!

But sometimes, I can't really tell that you like this show? It's sort of weird, because I know you do, but you don't like a lot of things about it.

Haha, I get that. I'm not sure I can put it well but--- it's because I like it that I'm so critical occasionally. For instance, when I watch a romantic comedy then there are certain cliches that I have to accept, because it comes with the territory. It would be stupid to lose sleep over how gender dynamics are constructed in them because half of those things are romcom TROPES. That's how the genre works>

Similarly, when I first started watching TVD, I expected it to be Twilight Part II, except with hotter people. And I might have continued watching it just for Ian Somerhalder's face. And I might have made icons and written odes to Damon/Elena, but I would never have discussed the show, because it would be pointless to discuss something that interested me at the very basic level.

But, the point is, that TVD is so much more than that.

It's not a mish-mash of all vampire-love-triangles ever. Someone mentioned it in this very post; TVD is SMART. And that it surprising because that's not what you expect when you watch a show about two vampire brothers in love with a human girl. TVD transcends its own genre. If I uncritically watched it or if I loved everything about it, I would feel like I'm doing this amazing show a disservice. If all I had to say on it was "OMG DAMON. OMG STEFAN. OMG STEFAN/ELENE/DAMON." then it would be absolutely no different from anything else that I watch because I think the actors are hot and I have nothing better to do.

It's not that I don't like a lot of things about it, it's that TVD makes me think, it makes me want to discuss and debate because THEY raise issues and I LOVE that they do; that they deconstruct gender, bring up race, abuse, monstrosity, wars, family and actually DEVELOP those themes instead of leaving them as token reminders. I love that I can talk about Damon/Andie and actually maybe add those thoughts in any term paper that I might do. That it's possible to adore Damon without excusing his actions. That Elena as a character exists beyond the men who are in love with her or glossing them over. That this show offers itself up for critical analysis because it goes far beyond all that you could expect. And obviously when you pick up sensitive issues you're bound to falter a little, lose fanbase, etc, etc. It's because I love TVD so much that I expect it to be far beyond plot contrivances (which is obviously silly, but they've given me that expectation because it's so good). And mostly it delivers. And I'm glad because this is the first time that I've ever actually loved characters that I'm also critical of, whose actions I don't agree with. Earlier when I used to love characters, I would HATE people saying anything bad about them, I would refuse to read/listen, but here? I can read an anti-Damon rant (who is a character I ADORE) and take stuff from it that makes sense. Which, even if it doesn't seem like it, is a huge leap for me; accepting that it's possible to like something even when you've accepted the good AND the bad.

It's impossible to not love a show that MAKES you want to talk about it; to love it or criticize it or whatever, but still, talk about it. Actually, you can be sure, the day I stop criticizing things in it, I've probably lost interest :)

ALSO, YOU SHIP STEFAN/ELENA??? Haha, that is EPIC, really. I've started shipping them myself; the things this show makes me feel /sigh.

DAMON/ELENA BrOTP FOREVER. I genuinely LOVE this angle, this place they're in <333

I'm really looking forward to the moment when both of them realize that she's trying to make Damon BADDER to make Stefan GOODER and it doesn't work, at all, for either of them anymore.

A++++++++++++

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Meg, The Great and Terriblelit_chick08 on October 3rd, 2011 07:22 pm (UTC)
I'm also interested to see how Elena will react if/when stefan "cheats" on her. Because I want Stefan to have sex with Rebekah...and Katherine...and Klaus. Basically I want Stefan to just have all the sex.

And you are so definitely not the only one who got heavy incestuous vibes from Klaus/Rebekah. I got much more "jealous boyfriend" than "protective big brother." I welcome you to Hell with open arms.
youcallitwinter: broadway's got you in its hold right nowyoucallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 08:12 pm (UTC)
It's probably weird that I want Stefan to cheat on her, but I REALLY want to see her reactions; like that'd be clinching the 'transcending love stories cliches' thing, and it'd be VERY interesting to watch. Also, YES TO STEFAN GETTING ALL THE SEX. He deserves it for being so sexy in a suit.

I really want Klaus!jealousy with the Stefan/Rebekah angle. BOTH THE LOVES OF HIS LIFE. Man, I always end up shipping the incest ships (see: Damon/Stefan). ALWAYS, lol.
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Alexia Lisa Drake: Vampire Diaries - Badassalexia_drake on October 3rd, 2011 07:38 pm (UTC)
Well, it seems that I have to change some of my userpics again. lol

Great job, I save many and I'll of course credit :D
youcallitwinter: just to waste my time with you.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 08:14 pm (UTC)
Haha, I just get FIFTEEN and it sucks. Icon-making is so addicting D:

Thanks so much, glad you found something <3
sweet baby jesus: comm} anniehmmmoirariordan on October 3rd, 2011 07:49 pm (UTC)
JEFF/ANNIE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO US

i love how community characters are basically all head over heels in love with everybody else. I feel like the endgame is like, ROCKS FALL, EVERYBODY DIES, only instead it'll be ROCKS FALL, EVERYBODY GETS MARRIED.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 08:21 pm (UTC)
I KNOW, RIGHT? WHY SO MUCH INAPPROPRIATE CHEMISTRY, YOU GUYS?

Like, I love that this relationship is on Community because there's no way in hell it'd be explored usually, but this show gets away with everything. And Romantic Expressionism is the undisputed leader of all Ship Teases EVER. They've even explored Britta/Chang now, WHAT IS LEFT?

Hahaha, that reminds me of their theme song with it's horrifically peppy tune and extremely depressing lyrics.

"We could be old and cold and dead on the sea
But I love you more than the words can say"
Pied: katherine (always scheming)wheatear on October 3rd, 2011 09:16 pm (UTC)
All your thoughts are A+.

And contrived in a way that made everyone involved look slightly stupid.

Completely agreed! And that's an understatement. Damon and Elena are really only surviving through main character immunity.

I disagree with your emotion switching theory though. I don't think that vampires suddenly stop being moral agents just because they flip the switch. I like that vampires have to deal with the choices they make and be responsible for their behaviour. That's more interesting to me than werewolves who completely lose control and become animals when they turn.
youcallitwinter: hell yeah.youcallitwinter on October 3rd, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
I know this show requires a suspension of disbelief obviously, but THIS was just odd writing, and Damon/Elena would so be dead if they weren't the protagonists. And it makes Klaus seem rather incompetent D:

I'm not very sure because the show hasn't really explained it; but I'd think that there would be a major difference between the switch being on or off. Like, if you can't feel then obviously you can't judge. Of course, 'not feeling' itself is relative. I think flipping the switch off is like being the sum of your base urges, you don't have any moral code anymore. I think the moral choice here is CHOOSING to turn the switch off while knowing what can happen. But once it's off, I don't know, I'm just blank on the workings of it, really. :s
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youcallitwinter: just to waste my time with you.youcallitwinter on October 4th, 2011 08:02 am (UTC)
Haha, I know lots of people got over it, but I don't know, still love the hell out of that show even if they show us weird Britta/Chang chemistry. I DID NOT KNOW PEOPLE HATE JEFF/ANNIE DD: Although I can understand the squick factor I suppose, but still, I need them on my screen so much!

Klaus needs to have known everything, NEEDS TO. And Elijah needs to stop getting staked /that is all.

Oh man, this fandom. The finale kiss and 'Elena's a slut', and then the naked!Damon promo where Elena is a slut again because 'WHAT IS SHE DOING IN HIS HOUSE'? It just makes me *facepalm* a lot. :s
Frances: TVD - Katherine - tastes like chickengoldy_dollar on October 4th, 2011 03:58 am (UTC)
Ooh, pretty icons. Katherine, you are such a star.

For instance, we know that Elena is willing to accept Stefan after all the murders and thinks she can change him. And now I REALLY want him to sleep with Rebekah, like, really. Because I want to know if even metaphorical ‘cheating’ is the breaking point for a relationship like theirs. Would Elena accept Stefan if he slept with another woman?

LOL I FEEL LIKE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET OVER THIS, MUCH LESS EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW I WOULD WANT ELENA TO FEEL. What. No. I don't have weird issues brought on by this show, that's crazy.
youcallitwinter: hell yeah.youcallitwinter on October 4th, 2011 08:09 am (UTC)
I KEEP forgetting that Nina plays Katherine as well; like Elena and Katherine, they're such different characters and everything about them is so different that I just have to keep reminding myself that it's still Nina.

BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. As in I would love it if something happened between Damon/Elena and Stefan/Rebekah and THEN STEFAN/ELENA STILL CAME BACK TO EACH OTHER. I think, for me, that would cement their relationship once and for all; having been through so many so much and still completely in love with each other, that would totally make it my endgame!