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15 October 2011 @ 11:55 pm
In which you reckon this post should be knifed [3x05]  
Okay, I'm already sorry about the length. REALLY. I promise that next time onwards, I'll stick to 200 words or less D:

First things first.

THEY KILLED OFF “NOT NOW, DANA”? WHAT THE FUCK, SHOW?

Yes, we’re all very glad I have my priorities right.

- This episode had the best opening scene ever. Although initially I was all ‘G’bye Matt, nice knowing you, mate. You might have survived a couple more episodes if you watched a few horror flicks now and then and knew the golden rule of following shadowy things in deserted high school corridors. But, alas.” But then the Senior Prank preparations? Epic. Honestly, it was such a genuine glance at life before the supernatural, before the Salvatore brothers, before everything. There was Caroline being all bossy and control freaky and adorable (GUH, THAT GIRL) and Elena and Bonnie teasing her from the sidelines (Bonnie’s ‘srsly’ look at “Caroline’s making us do it” was A++++). ELENA WAS LAUGHING AND AMUSED AND SEVENTEEN (and when she repeated what Caroline’s obviously been badgering into their heads, I literally went ‘awww’). Tyler was all jock arrogance and ‘don’t tell anyone I hang out with you guys’ and Matt was actually chill about the whole thing. No being mad at Tyler/Caroline, no getting moony-eyed over Elena’s “if I’m doing this, you’re doing this”. It’s just like what it was probably like before everything went to hell. And I absolutely adored it.

- And I was rather pissed at Klaus for interrupting it. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A SPIN-OFF OF THESE GUYS FROM, LIKE, MIDDLE SCHOOL ONWARDS, SO WE CAN HAVE SCENES LIKES THIS THAT LAST LONGER THAN THREE SECONDS?

- However Klaus was awesome. AWESOME. He’s actually like a child who’ll do whatever it takes to get what he wants. And that’s scary because, as Marquez said in Chronicle, only children are capable of anything (they can be unbelievably cruel, trufax). Although I LOL-ed really hard at him dragging Elena through the school in this super pissed-off manner. Ooooh, such a Big Bad Hybrid my bb is. Really, he and his sister are such spoilt brats, they totally deserve each other. Not saying this because I ship them, nope, not at all. Really.  And all through I was like, ‘man, how are they going to make Elena still being alive at the end of this episode believable?’ …Oh wait, that’s how. Well, that’s convenient.

- Klaus/Elena was hot, ngl. Just, really good chemistry there. sandrine would be so happy :D

- Hahaha, Damon/Katherine is hysterical. I absolutely adore how passive-aggressive Damon is. He really does NOT know how to handle Katherine and her pouts and her deliberate seduction techniques. And him pushing her away after that scorching kiss (Ian/Nina in ALL THEIR FORMS) was so epic, because he totally kicked her exactly where it hurts, her ego. THEIR BANTER IS A+. Also, I can believe “you don’t do it for me anymore”, but his “I wouldn’t have done it for you” literally made me LOL. I know it was some sort of an Elena vs. Katherine on Damon’s Love Scale reference, but I don’t buy that at all. He would have done it for Katherine. That’s the thing with Damon; he loves with an intensity that is almost frightening sometimes. And if the show is now trying to say he never really loved Katherine— uh, one more time with feeling plz. But I do understand, that’s a hundred and fifty years of his life he ain’t never getting back; boy needs to get out of this thing with some dignity y’know.

- Also, in the same vein (…or not), IAN WAS GORGEOUS. PAUL WAS GORGEOUS, MICHAEL WAS GORGEOUS, EVEN ZACH WAS GORGEOUS (Matty Blue Eyes has stunning eyes, rly), AND ALL THE GIRLS WERE FLAWLESS LOOKING (Vicki is actually ethereal in soft lighting). I could watch on mute. *nods*

-  TYLER’S A HYBRID, WHAT? Like, always knew that Klaus would try to turn him, but I never thought it would actually happen, and this early on in the season?! I can’t imagine that there’ll be huge repercussions to this, so no wonder Tyler and Care are apparently going to totally be going through WWIII. I’m so conflicted here, because at one end it’ll be the end of the fluffy make-out scenes and adorableness (those kids go at it ANYWHERE, not even kidding), but on the other, conflict is always what makes TV relationships compelling. I think that’d be good if we get some outside-Triangle-interactions which I seem to have been going on about since FOREVER now (and we still haven’t got them, js.)

- But, speaking of, HOW AWESOME WAS BONNIE/MATT. And I don’t even mean it in a shippy way. Although I can imagine there are fics in the work already somewhere :D But still, the fact that it was just this random couple interacting (seriously, have they ever spoken before? I don’t even remember) and this sense that they have history (Matt was a bad lifeguard? OH COME ON, HE LOOKS LIKE THE POSTER BOY FOR LIFE GUARDSHIP DD:) I loved Bonnie so much this episode. I don’t even know what it was, she was just so understanding and sympathetic and smart and just…idek, something about her was just so awesome and believable.

- NGL, I literally got a little teary-eyed (only a VERY little) over that last scene with these two (which was the only part in this episode that that happened, mostly I was just gasping with shock or laughing through it all for some odd reason) where she tells him that he’s the only one who can live a normal life. Because it’s true. It seems to be this little special island of misfit supernatural toys, which is all cool and ~living forever and awesome, but it’s really, really not. It’s just this group of people who can barely relate to each other and can’t stand to look in a mirror most days. It’s about people who hate who they are and can’t change who they are.

I’ve said it before (well, at least I’ve thought it before), but vampirism is the easy choice. I’m not referring to people getting turned against their will, that just sucks for them. It’s about seeing these powerful vampires all around you and knowing you could have that. That you can be wildly attractive, stop feeling when you want to, be with people you love, do everything you’ve EVER wanted to do, be practically unbreakable, live forever. It’s all very, very seductive. There’s could be an initial ‘omg, drink blood, be a monster, etc etc’ but there will always be that niggling thought that you wouldn’t ‘have’ to do it, that there are always blood bags or even animals. That it’s still possible to be one of the good guys. Damon, Isobel, Jeremy; they all wanted it desperately, even if it didn’t work out for them at all.

It might take something to fall in love with a vampire and say ‘I want to spend eternity with you, I don’t care about anything else, turn me’ but it takes a whole lot more, while being aware of this mode of existence, to choose to live a normal life. Walking away, towards growing up and all the mundane, horrible stuff that comes with it (including post-high school, post-college blues), growing old, dying, all the while knowing that it could be different, that is the hard decision.

Not that the easy choice works out, because once it’s done, then there’s that realization of OMFG, WHAT HAVE I DONE? The hunger, watching everyone you love die, the inability to build a home, a family, anything. But in the moment? It’s an easy choice. If Elena chooses to give up both Salvatores and go to college and takes up a job and finds some guy who makes her laugh and settles down, I will literally cheer her on.

- However, till now, the being-human thing is causing issues for Elena all on its own. The obvious problem being that the storyline has a tendency to get written around her, rather than with her at the moment. She’s the central concern of whatever is happening, but she’s not in it, if that makes any sense. Like, every episode till now this season has almost always been about Elena’s reactions; even in The Hybrid or The End of the Affair where she tries to take active agential roles, she mostly ends up being rather dependent, and they have more of Damon doing the actual work, while she sort of…just stands. And obviously I don’t fault her for this because in between all the hardcore supernatural, she can’t do anything, literally. But Elena is such a bamf, I DO NOT want her character getting to shift even the slightest bit on the token side. (The only reason I’m not waxing lyrical with #rage about this is because I’ve seen the promo and it IS being addressed and this show takes care of my concerns even before I’ve voiced them *hearts in my eyes*).

- Btw, this is also why the whole Damon-is-a-vampire thing and will-always-be-a-vampire with volatile reactions need to be addressed if Damon/Elena is going to happen. The worst part in it all is not Damon himself doing psycho things (which, let’s face it, is never NOT awesome), BUT THE FACT THAT ELENA IS BASICALLY POWERLESS THERE WHILE HE DOES THESE THINGS. And I don’t see how it’s not terrifying for her. That ALL she can do while Damon tries to Kill Bill (heh), snaps Ric’s neck, snaps Jeremy’s neck, is just stand there and let it happen. The power relation is very, very obvious. Elena can never have a status equal to that of Damon’s in a relationship unless he stops snapping like this, or she gets turned. She might have the emotional power, but physically, he’s the one in charge whenever he wants to be. And it’s VERY IMPORTANT to tackle this head on. Which also sucks in a way because I really, really do not want Damon to stop snapping DDD: AND I WANT DAMON/ELENA TO HAPPEN (non-epic way only plz).

- Also, in relationships that need to happen: NO CURR WHAT ANY1 SAY, KLAUS’ “My Girl” WAS FOR REBEKAH IN MAH BOOK. So much chemistry. SO MUCH CHEMISTRY. And all he needs is love, you guys DD: (I laughed there).

- AND THESE TWO NEED SOMEONE TO CONTROL THEM, ‘K? WHERE BE ELIJAH? (And no hot Alaric the Vampire Slayer this episode either D:)

- Caroline/Candice has the most beautiful smile ever. It’s actually so bright and oddly innocent that it always makes me smile as well.

- - JEREMY/KATHERINE, THE SHIP THAT YOU NEVER KNEW YOU WANTED TO BOARD TILL NOW. 

- Oh hello there Mikael, Vampire, the Vampire Hunter. Nice to meet you!

- Damon/Elena, GUH. Elena looked so weak in the hospital, it made me DDDD: And then Damon carries her off with this particularly ‘in love’ look and OH MAN, Damon has the best expressions EVER. Ian does vulnerability insanely well, it just strikes you hard. I love how Damon is absolutely unable to pretend as much as he wants to with all the snark and one-liners. His face just gives him away every time. And I thought it was extremely lovely that they had this quiet moment after everything had happened. I LOVED that Damon didn’t ‘save’ Elena, and returned after everything was over, I think that’s excellent story-telling. I want Damon and Elena to be as far from Epic as possible. And I liked the symbolism of not wearing the necklace this time. (Although I really hope Stefan/Elena isn’t done with. I want a love triangle, goddammit, show, deliver D:) And the fact that she didn’t want to forget. These are her memories and she’s damn well going to remember every single thing.

And of course she’s all broken up over “where were you?” because Damon is always there. She can push him away, be awful to him, blame him for everything but he’s the one person who never leaves. And she’s come to rely on that without consciously realizing it— everything sort of fell apart when he wasn’t there. Not that it fell apart because he wasn’t there, but in her state, that’s most probably how it felt to her. Actually, he’s just as powerless as she is in this whole scenario, but it’s adorable how safe she feels with him after everything that’s happened, everything he’s done. It might be a little selfish on her part (I don’t think so, though), but his love for her is practically the only constant in her life right now and she can’t let that go. “Where were you?” as if he could’ve possibly done anything at all, but she believes so hard that he could. That somehow things could have been different if he’d just been there. Oh, Elena. <333

- And of course Damon firmly believes when life offers you lemons, you kick it where the sun don’t shine and make it give you some Bourbon instead. *nods*

(But Stefan cockblocking Damon/Elena? Best. Thing. Ever. STEFAN IS NOW FIRST SEASON DAMON, I don’t even.)

NOW, THE REALLY IMPORTANT PART: LET’S TALK STEFAN.

- I’m guessing lots of people are really disappointed with the cop-out? I haven’t yet read the reactions (mostly to avoid just stealing phrases from everyone), but it’s not hard to imagine that the whole ‘RIPPER STEFAN GOES THE FULL WAY… jk, Klaus compels him and he has no choice in the issue’ didn’t sit well with anyone, considering how awesome this arc could have been.

Oddly enough I’m not very disappointed? (Also possibly because I was spoiled for this arc and had time to adjust). Like, I AM because this could’ve been a REALLY good opportunity for TVD to prove that it’s streets ahead of every other show ever (related digression: COMMUNITY WAS SO, SO EPIC THIS WEEK. SUCH A MIND-FUCK.) Because the overt romantic-lead-turned-mass-murderer? WHO DOES THAT? NO ONE, THAT’S WHO, and it would be awesome.

- But I can also, I don’t know, sort of understand? Like, romantic-lead-turned-mass-murderer, who does that? No one, that’s who. It’s not something that’s done on television. Because TV works on its own skewered logic; obviously there are people who must think that Damon killing all the people we’ve seen him kill is just as terrible as Stefan killing a whole lot more people. Like, it isn’t a comparison, you kill people, you’re bad. But in fiction, mostly every person is redeemable because circumstances create character and if you know the circumstances you can forgive characters; they invite sympathy rather than censure. So if Stefan deliberately set out to kill a whole bunch of people WHOM THE AUDIENCE KNOWS because he’s ‘out of control’ then that would be unforgivable. There would be no way that this guy could possibly be redeemed. Which is again a ridiculous tv rule; killing a whole bunch of unknown people is always forgivable; killing/hurting even one or two people the audience knows and god forbid, likes? Not so much.

- In fact, the only characters that develop this way are Super Villains. Not even kidding. This is a regular betrayal trope that most fiction runs away with; Loki, Lucifer, Darth Vader, SCAR (FUCK YOU, SCAR, YOU WEREN’T EVEN NICE AND THEN YOU KILLED MUFASA). Good guys who turn bad, for whatever reason, in this way are always the main antagonists. Betrayal is always, always the most alienating factor in every narrative. And Stefan, as far as I know, is not being set up to be the main antagonist.

- Also, we know that it took him thirty years to recover from his ripper ways, which is just an impossible time-span (especially in a show that hasn’t even completed a year narrativistically). And anything else would just be really unbelievable. The character has to retain audience sympathy if he wants to be one of the protagonists. Obviously there’ll be those who believe it doesn’t matter, he’s still killing. But there’ll also be those who will be able to justify and say ‘it’s just the compulsion’. He has to be given an out.

- But just because I understand it doesn’t mean I like it AT ALL. Because I’d been waiting for Stefan to totally lose it and I would’ve stanned him every step. Now, it’s just, ‘yeah, yeah, he doesn’t mean it; he has no choice, etc. etc.’ And if he’s not going to get anything out of being good (including the ‘girl’), I’d rather he just become all out ‘bad’. SERIOUSLY.

- Also, I really thought he should’ve killed Dana (THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE KILLED HER AT ALL) and Random Guy immediately. Not hurting Elena I’m down with, fine, I understand he loves her and it’s completely different. But NOT killing those other two people without excessively trying to resist Klaus just didn’t sit well with me. In context of those whom they love, THESE PEOPLE ARE SELFISH, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. I think we’ve already established that. So, to protect Elena, because of course Klaus would hurt her, I think he should’ve just acquiesced. The hesitation just struck me as too quasi-heroic.

- Also, AFTER EVERYTHING, I still hope Stefan isn’t actually compelled, that either:

a. The button doesn’t exist for him anymore. After all, Rose made it sound like it was something that new vampires constructed to make themselves feel better about all the killing and everything. Otherwise, it just…disappears when you get older? DOES NOT COMPUTE. I say there’s no switch for Stefan anymore.

b. He’s was on vervain in the scene (whatever, it’s my theory, I’m sticking to it). Katherine could resist Klaus on vervain (although he knew about that), so Stefan, if he wanted to save Elena, he should’ve known exactly what Klaus would do. And HE SHOULD HAVE PLANNED. Although obviously this is shot by how much he seems to have struggled to resist. So idek D:

This show so rarely disappoints in a manner like this that I find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t know it’s a cop-out. AND I HOPE IT GETS RECTIFIED (OR REVEALED ASAP.)

Ooh, look, interesting [Show Elena vs. Book Elena]

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Amyshineyma on October 15th, 2011 06:49 pm (UTC)
There was Caroline being all bossy and control freaky and adorable (GUH, THAT GIRL) and Elena and Bonnie teasing her from the sidelines (Bonnie’s ‘srsly’ look at “Caroline’s making us do it” was A++++). ELENA WAS LAUGHING AND AMUSED AND SEVENTEEN (and when she repeated what Caroline’s obviously been badgering into their heads, I literally went ‘awww’). Tyler was all jock arrogance and ‘don’t tell anyone I hang out with you guys’ and Matt was actually chill about the whole thing.

THAT WAS THE MOST ADORABLE SCENE IN THE HISTORY OF ADORABLE SCENES. I loved it. I also loved Caroline's cute little 'I love you!' to Elena as she was leaving. So adorable. <3

He would have done it for Katherine. That’s the thing with Damon; he loves with an intensity that is almost frightening sometimes.

I agree completely. Maybe it's just me, but I tend to look at all of Damon's interactions with Katherine as being SEEPED IN DENIAL. Damon totally would've done it for Katherine, he knows he would've done it for Katherine, but he doesn't want to admit it because of the whole breaking-his-heart thing. If Damon vs Katherine is a contest, Damon is losing BADLY. But he doesn't want to lose, and certainly doesn't want to lose, so he's living in denial.

And it’s VERY IMPORTANT to tackle this head on. Which also sucks in a way because I really, really do not want Damon to stop snapping

Me neither! I love Damon because of his fairly psychotic habits. I will be very sad if show takes them away.

Caroline/Candice has the most beautiful smile ever.

TRUTH. I want crackfic where Caroline smiles at Klaus and he decides to settle in Mystic Falls and hang around selling drugs to teenagers (trying to convince himself he's still evil, damn it, he's still the Big Bad, even if he has been disarmed by a smile--no, damn it, he hasn't been disarmed, he's just biding his time, alright, and look, selling drugs, still evil!) and every time he tries to go back to his random-killing ways Caroline just smiles at him again and he forgets what he was doing.

Um. I apologize for the above.

Anyways! I might have already said it, but in case I didn't: thanks for the friend back! <3
Amyshineyma on October 15th, 2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
But he doesn't want to lose, and certainly doesn't want to lose, so he's living in denial.

That was supposed to say "certainly doesn't want to admit he's losing"

Fail.

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youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on October 20th, 2011 05:38 pm (UTC)
[Man, I'm so late with the replies, sorrry] Also, I love your icon, it's so pretty!

I love it when their scenes are soft and sort of, I don't know, quiet? All the times when they don't actually say anything significant, but it's just the expressions and the way the words are said that transform the scene, even if they're just snarking. My actual favorite D/E scene in this respect from the third season was the necklace scene and I remember writing a huge "OMG, THIS SCENE, OMGOMG" post. I'd thought I'd dislike it for being so typical, but Ian MADE that scene for me, his "it's your birthday, you can cry if you want to." NEVER GETTING OVER IT.

Maybe that's on the Salvatore family crest? ;)

Haha, man, their crest should be the universal symbol for dysfunction.

I really expected Stefan to kill them under the circumstances, and I was disappointed when they didn't go there.

Totally agreed. Like, I understand not wanting to hurt Elena and I'm completely fine with it, but with all the killing he's been doing (he also killed Andie, someone he'd KNOWN), not killing these two, even if would just do it to protect Elena a little while longer, was just disappointing for me D:
Lizzie: tvd|morning surprisexx_pinkstar on October 15th, 2011 08:51 pm (UTC)
I CAN'T EVEN BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD ON THIS POST

EVEN ESPECIALLY THE ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY NOT SHIPPING OF KLAUS/REBEKAH

NO CURR WHAT ANY1 SAY, KLAUS’ “My Girl” WAS FOR REBEKAH IN MAH BOOK.

NGL I WAS TOTALLY ABOUT TO MAKE A POST SAYING THE SAME THING, YOU AND I, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE BRO.

IN OTHER NEWS MY BB KLAUS NEEDS TO MAKE OUT WITH EVERYONE his sister ...and his brother
youcallitwinter: but I keep them in a box under my bedyoucallitwinter on October 20th, 2011 05:42 pm (UTC)
*dramatic look* IT'S YOUR BRAIN AND MY BRAIN, ALWAYS. (Man, this show has so many 'forever and always' moments and it always makes me LOL).

OKAY, IT'S KIND OF SAD HOW MUCH I SHIP REBEKAH/KLAUS? BUT SERIOUSLY, SHE'S THE BRATTY YOUNGER SISTER AND HE'S THE KIND OF GUY WHO'S ALWAYS SUPER POSSESSIVE. I JUST WANT KLAUS GETTING JEALOUS OF STEFAN RE: REBEKAH FIC. WHAT IS MY LIFE EVEN? D:

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aerintine on October 15th, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR GIVING US ALL YOUR THOUGHTS. WE WANT MORE. MORE MORE MORE FOREVER.

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A SPIN-OFF OF THESE GUYS FROM, LIKE, MIDDLE SCHOOL ONWARDS, SO WE CAN HAVE SCENES LIKES THIS THAT LAST LONGER THAN THREE SECONDS?

This is the best spinoff idea I've heard to date. Saved By the Bell, Mystic Falls Edition. Good grief. They've even got the type-casting down. Elena and Matt would totes be Kelly and Zack. Caroline as Jessie. Tyler's just dying to be the Slater of the group, and Bonnie would of course move into the role of Lisa. Alaric could arrive in town a few years earlier and be Mr. Belding. That just leaves Screech. Poor Jeremy and Vicki, one of them is going to have to take one for the team... /it's possible I took that to way too far of a logical conclusion. Whatever. I want Tyler in MC Hammer pants with a mullet.

He’s actually like a child who’ll do whatever it takes to get what he wants. And that’s scary because, as Marquez said in Chronicle, only children are capable of anything (they can be unbelievably cruel, trufax).

Wow. You know, while I was actually watching the first time I was so IRRITATED with both him and Rebekah because they're so GD CHILDISH, and I have very little patience with general brattiness. But the way you've described Klaus changes the whole picture for me. He is a child, with childish needs and wants. YES. THIS WORKS FOR ME. I can rekindle my love for him on this. Rebekah I'm still very meh about because she reminds me of every shallow, useless girl I went to high school with who were catty towards other girls and didn't care about anything but material things. Though, if she and Klaus start making out, I could start to REALLY like her. ;) BUT THANK YOU. YOU HAVE HELPED.

IAN WAS GORGEOUS. PAUL WAS GORGEOUS, MICHAEL WAS GORGEOUS, EVEN ZACH WAS GORGEOUS (Matty Blue Eyes has stunning eyes, rly), AND ALL THE GIRLS WERE FLAWLESS LOOKING (Vicki is actually ethereal in soft lighting). I could watch on mute. *nods*

The lighting on this show is a wonder to behold, and the cast was truly luminescent in this episode. ESPECIALLY MATT. Those blue eyes in the blue room with the blue pool. I JUST KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE PERFECT ICON WHICH HIGHLIGHTS ALL THIS BLUE GORGEOUSNESS. Beautiful cinematography, this show.

I loved Bonnie so much this episode. I don’t even know what it was, she was just so understanding and sympathetic and smart and just…idek, something about her was just so awesome and believable.

ME TOO. I think it was that she was just a girl in this episode, hanging out with her friends and doing her best to help, no magic involved. she was there for Matt in a really delightful, NORMAL way. She felt real again, which is what I've been longing for for a very long time. If the show keeps it up with her I will be very glad indeed. Next step: SHOW US HER HOUSE. SHOW US HER DAD.

Nodding along with everything you say about what's easy and what's hard. I like the stance the show takes on this, and I would very much like to see all the people who are still people have the lives they want, whether they be hum drum or filled with weekly terrors and delights. I just sympathize so much with the humans and wanting them to get to stay human and all the myriad of life experiences that come along with that. Bonnie and Matt's final scene made warmed my heart.

aerintine on October 15th, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
The power relation is very, very obvious. Elena can never have a status equal to that of Damon’s in a relationship unless he stops snapping like this, or she gets turned. She might have the emotional power, but physically, he’s the one in charge whenever he wants to be. And it’s VERY IMPORTANT to tackle this head on.

Great insight. They also need to address the emotional power imbalance between Elena and either of the Salvatores - which they have been getting better at over the seasons. Both brothers can control Elena's mind and emotions if they so choose (unless of course, she takes to ingesting vervain, which perhaps she has and Show hasn't commented on it). Show has been unflinching about its vampires manipulating and controlling people's thoughts, emotions, and actions - as well as always retaining the ability to overcome humans physically. It's a very hard task to get past all that without becoming incredibly problematic. I've liked where they're going with it so far.

Caroline/Candice has the most beautiful smile ever. It’s actually so bright and oddly innocent that it always makes me smile as well.

YES YES YES! I can't help but smile whenever Caroline does. It's such a pure, joyful expression. And Elena's playful smiles at the beginning of this episode made me so happy. We hardly ever see that girl smile.

Agree with all your D/E thoughts - they were each so fantastic in their little scenes together. Their FACES killed me. Destroyed. so perfect.

And, STEFAN. Oh, Stefan. He is the man of the hour, however anyone felt about his story this episode.

For all the reasons you cite for it making sense that the show isn't going to GO THERE with him, I am so very disappoint. You of course make oodles of sense in your analysis. But frankly I thought this show was braver than that, and would take risks like no other show has before. It's a major let-down for me that they backed down and went with the status quo on this metaphor. It's just more of the same in romantic storytelling tropes. I will deal with it, but I'm very disillusioned with Stefan's whole arc, and with the writers. I trusted them to do better by Stefan, and do better by their storytelling. Others who have gone before them fell into the same traps and tropes, and the characters (and fandom!) suffered for it. I wish it had been different this time. Cuz, THIS AIN'T MY FIRST RODEO.

I really hope he's faking it. It's a theory I saw petitebelette put forth yesterday. There's a tiny part of me that believes Stefan could be faking the whole thing and acting his ass off right now. If that's the case, I will probably have an ecstatic fit of delirium. But it's a very tiny hope, amidst a lot of evidence that what happened is exactly what we saw happen: Klaus took away Stefan's autonomy, thereby ending the epic journey we were all so excited about him completing to the very end, of him making choices and dealing with the consequences. SIGH.

Your review is EPIC and I LOVED IT. DO IT AGAIN.
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wheatear: [tvd] get in the carwheatear on October 15th, 2011 09:39 pm (UTC)
Klaus/Elena was hot, ngl. Just, really good chemistry there.

Yes. Yes, it was.

JEREMY/KATHERINE, THE SHIP THAT YOU NEVER KNEW YOU WANTED TO BOARD TILL NOW.

I was totally on board ever since she killed him in the tomb. /shipping all the twisted pairings

Also, I can believe “you don’t do it for me anymore”, but his “I wouldn’t have done it for you” literally made me LOL. I know it was some sort of an Elena vs. Katherine on Damon’s Love Scale reference, but I don’t buy that at all. He would have done it for Katherine.

Haha, I had the exact same reaction. He did do it for Katherine. He died for her. Damon is fooling no-one there.

Totally agreed on everything you said about Damon/Elena. And with Stefan, yeah... total cop-out. I was not too happy.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on October 20th, 2011 05:49 pm (UTC)
Hahaha, I think when I first watched the tomb scene, I was on my 'I only watch for Damon/Elena kick' (which lasted a long, long while, ngl. Although also because I saw the entire series till 2x11 in a week, so maybe not that long?) which is why I probably totally failed to see the chemistry. But the creepy incestuous vibe, along with the million years age difference and power inequality? SO ON BOARD.

Haha, I had the exact same reaction. He did do it for Katherine. He died for her. Damon is fooling no-one there.

Except most of fandom who'll totally be gushing about it being an indication of his "pure wuv" for Elena, heh. But honestly, his passive-agressiveness towards a mostly provocative Katherine is never not hilarious.

You know, somehow I'm beginning to think that Stefan hasn't switched it off, he's just acting his heart out. UGH, I HOPE SO, AT LEAST D:
traciaknowstraciaknows on October 15th, 2011 09:40 pm (UTC)
- - JEREMY/KATHERINE, THE SHIP THAT YOU NEVER KNEW YOU WANTED TO BOARD TILL NOW. 

Preach.

The absolute moment they were at the tomb together I was all "and let the fics flow!"

I'm not sure about Damon being in denial about Kat. I think she's really blew it with him- if she had been in tomb all those years, or if when she came back and he was practically begging her to tell him that she loved him- and she had thrown him a bone- I have no doubt he'd be team capt of Team Katherine. But she wasn't- and she didn't. But there's Elena- and now all of that loyalty is transferred to her. So when he says- I wouldn't have done it for you- that's probably not true back then- but it is true now.

I have a hard time with the "where were you?" question. It's not fair of Elena to ask. But I get why. I agree that Damon is the only constant in her life now. But it's not fair to put another burden on him. I hope that at some point soon we see her actively not taking him for granted- and at least once defending Damon when everyone else is giving him grief for getting the job done.
waltzmatildah: tvd: katherine and damonwaltzmatildah on October 16th, 2011 05:40 am (UTC)
but it is true now. He hand delivered her vervain not all that long ago... in the context of this show, what? A few months? Not even that? And at a point well and truly past her rejection of him. Plus there was the ep a while back (last season), when she's in the basement and the dagger starts to come out of Elijah (Luka and his dad magic-ing it back out? I think?) and she screams and Damon arrives in about a millisecond, all heroic-like.

Boy is firmly set in "face-save" mode re. his romantic history with Kat. And he's fooling no one :)

The absolute moment they were at the tomb together I was all "and let the fics flow!" THIS! Haha!! SO MUCH, THIS!
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ever_neutral: d/e ~ the idiot shipever_neutral on October 16th, 2011 02:55 am (UTC)
I adored the opening scene too. LOL THEY ONLY GO TO SCHOOL AFTER HOURS LOL.

Klaus/Elena WAS hot. I think I'll go read some fic after this.

WORD to your Damon/Katherine thoughts. Damon is so full of crap. Things we know.

IAN WAS GORGEOUS. PAUL WAS GORGEOUS, MICHAEL WAS GORGEOUS, EVEN ZACH WAS GORGEOUS (Matty Blue Eyes has stunning eyes, rly), AND ALL THE GIRLS WERE FLAWLESS LOOKING

No argument here. #sexually frustrated forever

The only reason I’m not waxing lyrical with #rage about this is because I’ve seen the promo and it IS being addressed and this show takes care of my concerns even before I’ve voiced them *hearts in my eyes*

YESSSSSS. I think Elena being placed in the role of passive victim is necessary set-up for her arc of learning to assert agency. So, I'm good?

Which also sucks in a way because I really, really do not want Damon to stop snapping DDD: AND I WANT DAMON/ELENA TO HAPPEN (non-epic way only plz).

Ha, see, this is why I DON'T want them to happen. Not really. Fair point about the inherent power imbalance, though. That's actually exactly where Stefan/Elena went wrong. They carried on as though they were both equals--but they're not and they never were.

JEREMY/KATHERINE, THE SHIP THAT YOU NEVER KNEW YOU WANTED TO BOARD TILL NOW. 

Pshhhh, I KNEW BEFORE. W/E W/E.

I LOVED that Damon didn’t ‘save’ Elena, and returned after everything was over, I think that’s excellent story-telling. I want Damon and Elena to be as far from Epic as possible.

THIS. Stalking my brain, you are.

And of course she’s all broken up over “where were you?” because Damon is always there. She can push him away, be awful to him, blame him for everything but he’s the one person who never leaves.

UGH THISSSSSS. And, just, with her huge abandonment issues? I CANNOT.

And of course Damon firmly believes when life offers you lemons, you kick it where the sun don’t shine and make it give you some Bourbon instead. *nods*

You know it's love when he's willing to share his bourbon.

The character has to retain audience sympathy if he wants to be one of the protagonists. Obviously there’ll be those who believe it doesn’t matter, he’s still killing. But there’ll also be those who will be able to justify and say ‘it’s just the compulsion’. He has to be given an out.

And see, THIS IS EXACTLY MY ISSUE. That the show MUST give Stefan an 'out'. That they don't let him be held COMPLETELY ACCOUNTABLE for his horrific actions. Does Damon get an 'out' for his early S1 behaviour, or for snapping Jeremy's neck or shoving his wrist into Elena's mouth? NO. He doesn't suffer enough consequences, but the show is never telling us that he's NOT RESPONSIBLE. The way they set up this compulsion thing with Stefan--we're being told BY THE PLOT that he's not entirely to blame for his behaviour. I REALLY don't appreciate being talked down to by the writers in that way.

So, basically, what you said. And I hope one of your two theories is correct. That's the only way this plotline will not be a complete and utter fucking cop-out.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on October 21st, 2011 12:45 pm (UTC)
LOL THEY ONLY GO TO SCHOOL AFTER HOURS LOL.

OR FOR DECADE DANCES SO THEY CAN ALL DRESS UP AND END THE NIGHT AS VAMPIRE/WEREWOLF/HYBRID BAIT. Seriously, why do we try to present so many logical arguments for this show again? Obviously they take the suspension of disbelief thing to a WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

I think Elena being placed in the role of passive victim is necessary set-up for her arc of learning to assert agency. So, I'm good?

I really hope so, because I’m not fond of watching her be the centre of a tragedy which she can’t do anything about with everyone around trying to save her. That will ACTUALLY get me out of her character entirely. But I also know that it’s totally not gonna happen, so I’m chilling here rn \o/

Ha, see, this is why I DON'T want them to happen. Not really.

Heh, I genuinely don’t care at all if they become canon or not, and if Damon has to entirely change for them to be canon then I totally do NOT want it to happen. I’ve never shipped any canon ship as yet, so if they ‘go there’, I’ll finally be able to answer the chicken and egg question about whether I ship doomed ships or the ships are doomed BECAUSE I ship them *nods*

And, just, with her huge abandonment issues?

THIS. BASICALLY. Girl’s a mess D:

Does Damon get an 'out' for his early S1 behaviour, or for snapping Jeremy's neck or shoving his wrist into Elena's mouth? NO. He doesn't suffer enough consequences, but the show is never telling us that he's NOT RESPONSIBLE

OH, THIS, EXACTLY. Although it also conflicts me because sometimes I just CANNOT move past how Damon is accountable but suffers no consequences mostly (except people saying he’s a “bad guy” and fandom going crazy about that /eyeroll) and as a viewer, it’s really frustrating to watch as well. Like, HOW CAN ELENA FORGIVE THIS GUY? Especially after Jeremy? And when that arc didn’t lead anywhere, I also got a little frustrated with Elena. Stefan wouldn’t conflict me as much because I don’t stan him like I do Damon. I will love him regardless of how many people he kills. IDEK, IT’S AN ODD THING. Like, I can like Damon despite ANYTHING he might do, because I’m the audience, I KNOW I’m watching a show. But for the people IN the show, it’s supposed to be real and they should react accordingly and occasionally, it just doesn’t make me feel like it is real. Still, total cop-out with Stefan there D: Also, it doesn't make sense because, again, TV SHOW, go there, you guys, take the chance, BE DIFFERENT DD:

BUT I HOPE HE’S BEEN FAKING IT AND THAT’S WHAT THE NEW EPISODE WHICH I CAN’T SEE TILL AGES HAS REVEALED.
Laura: TVD- Stefan- Ripped in halfonetruefriend on October 16th, 2011 05:09 am (UTC)
I don't know, I don't find it a cop out. I think Stefan going all bad just to go all bad is simply boring in my opinion (and OOC as you said). There would be absolutely no reasoning behind his actions. At least before this episode we knew he killed to protect Damon, Elena, and everyone else he cared about. So when we saw him struggling in the parking lot on the phone with Elena, and then in the jungle when he saw Damon, Elena and Alaric- we knew he was having a push- pull with his blood lust, his guilt and his love for his family. It's one of the most interesting and heartfelt dynamics I've seen in his character yet.

Now you get to Klaus compelling him (and how much Stefan fought him beforehand) and you know there will be MASSIVE FALLOUT once Stefan remembers (because he will remember eventually.) We know Stefan is the broody, guilt ridden type, so his guilt over 1) Hurting Elena first and foremost and 2) killing all those people, will undoubtedly kill him.

I believe his story will not only continue but get bigger once the compulsion wears off.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on October 20th, 2011 06:52 pm (UTC)
I'm honestly not too concerned because I'm convinced for no particular reason that he hasn't actually switched it off and is just play-acting. I think what people are concerned about is that the compulsion angle will make it easier to say "but he's not really himself", while the larger question is does it matter? If he kills a whole bunch of people only because he's compelled to then those people are STILL DEAD. But I agree that there'd be no logical reason for Stefan to completely lose it as of now so maybe the compulsion was necessary. And I do love how completely torn he is, it's fascinating to watch.

Oh, Stefan coming to terms with all he's done? GLORIOUS. CANNOT WAIT FOR IT.
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Eeep. For the first time ever (I think?) I really don't agree with much of what you've said in this post! Haha! Some of it (Jeremy/Katherine?!! Not buying the Damon/Kat stuff, the Stefan cop-out, etc) I do, most of the rest of it I don't.

I really didn't like this episode at all. There were a couple of one-liners/scenes I enjoyed but the rest was just... I dunno. Uninteresting to me. And forced. And felt too rushed and mashed together and disjointed.

Also, Elena is 18 and is just about to start her senior year of high school? Is this normal? Is school that different in the US to Australia? I was 18 in my second year of university. Hmmm... maybe google knows the answer to that!

eta: OH!! And this!! Like, romantic-lead-turned-mass-murderer, who does that? No one, that’s who. It’s not something that’s done on television. I'm thining you've never watched Breaking Bad. Because they have done exactly this with DEFT PERFECTION!! (and won approximately 14 gazillion awards in the process...). I agree, it's not done often. But it certainly is done. And done very, VERY well.

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OMG people have so many feelings! lol.

I thought it was a bit too convenient that her blood is the answer. You are right about Klaus and Bex being spoiled brats. They are! BUt they get good lines! Really of the level of season one Damon!

That picture of bookVSshow ELena is just creepy... she looks so different!
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You are right about Klaus and Bex being spoiled brats. I LOVE that this is what they are!! They're so freaking ENTERTAINING!!!
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Thurisaz. Bow before me, for I am root.: tvd Elena statueadja999 on October 16th, 2011 05:55 pm (UTC)
I'm not usually a fan of Bonnie's, but in this episode... She kicked ass. And Bonnie/Matt was really cool. We're supposed to know that they're all this group of friends that date back... but it's nice to show it once in a while.

You know, this Stefan/Damon reversal is making me think of Buffy. S6 or S7, I'm not sure. With the Faith Buffy thing going "What, you're the bad Slayer now? Wait... Am I the good Slayer now?!"

Because the overt romantic-lead-turned-mass-murderer? WHO DOES THAT? NO ONE, THAT’S WHO, and it would be awesome.
Well, uh... Have you watched Heroes? There aren't any 'leads' per say, more like a principal cast. But Sylar? He's the boogeyman, no wait... he used to be a cute little shy nerd, no wait, he's a crazy spychopath because you broke his hopes, no wait, he's cool now... Uh... What? I don't care, he's hot.

Scar is SO COOL! I mean, he's a bad guy, but rewatching it now, I'm like... :D Dude, you're so baaaad. He's.... Katherine like. :P
youcallitwinter: but I keep them in a box under my bedyoucallitwinter on October 20th, 2011 07:21 pm (UTC)
They really use Bonnie in a very token way sometimes, like she just randomly disappears from the scene a lot of times for no particular reason! And Kat is such a good actor, like she was in that episode where she confronted Klaus. Severely underused!

We're supposed to know that they're all this group of friends that date back... but it's nice to show it once in a while.

EXACTLY. For people who've been friends all their lives, I'd assume, they sure don't act like it AT ALL. Like, I don't think Bonnie and Matt have even TALKED on the show before this!

I haven't seen Heroes, but I think they would specifically be trying to explore that storyline? Like, that IS what the storyline was? It's all very interesting, I like it when shows "go there", but when they're trying to keep the romantic lead the romantic lead they do try to take cop outs, heh.

SCAR IS AWESOMELY EVIL. And Jeremy Irons voicing him is just hot. But omg, I always cry when he kills Mufasa DD:
нσω ∂σ уσυ нσℓ∂ α мσση вєαм ιη уσυʀ нαη∂?: diaries ♔ caroline; bubblyfiddlings on October 16th, 2011 06:26 pm (UTC)
I LOVED THEM AT THE BEGINNING. Being all teenager-y. It was awesome.

Also, Klaus. I've been hovering on the edge about him because, hello, super evil. And there's nothing about his actions that has been endearing, per se. But. There have been times during episodes this season that make me take a step back and think about him differently for a few moments. But this was the first episode where I actually liked him. Which was an odd thing, for me, but perhaps even more oddly, that it was not that big of a leap, really. Still not sure where I fall on the Klaus/Elena scale, but given my inclination to ship EVERYONE/EVERYONE (except for Damon/Bonnie) in this show, I will probably like them soon, LOL.

I know it was some sort of an Elena vs. Katherine on Damon’s Love Scale reference, but I don’t buy that at all. He would have done it for Katherine.

SO TRUE. My friend Amanda swooned over that so hard, and I was just...um, no. LIES. Anyway, yes, I very much enjoyed all the Damon/Katherine scenes; they were fantastic and hilarious. :D

I ADORE CANDICE'S SMILE. SO MUCH. Honestly, I have to limit how many icons I upload of her smiling because I have several right now, and I've talked myself out of at least 10.

Ian does vulnerability insanely well, it just strikes you hard.

This is true.

But Stefan cockblocking Damon/Elena? Best. Thing. Ever. STEFAN IS NOW FIRST SEASON DAMON, I don’t even.

LOL, I KNOW. AND. I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS STEFAN STORYLINE, I CAN'T EVEN. I think this whole situation has some incredible promise, and I really hope the writers deliver.

Site note: YOU USED STREETS AHEAD IN YOUR REVIEW. Excuse me while I die happy. I have an irrational love of that phrase, LOL. :D

Random other thoughts:

As for the whole Tyler a hybrid thing, I'm interested to see where they go with it. The only thing that makes me worry is that Tyler was all OH YEAH, I FEEL AMAZING, AND WE'RE SO HAPPY at the end. Because heaven knows we can't actually let anyone be overly happy for an extended amount of time on this show.

OF COURSE, VICKI IS THE ~BAD GUY~. Bah. I was so annoyed at this.

I adored the Damon/Elena scene in this hospital. Their scene back at the house was wonderful, too, especially Elena's "Where were you?" BROKE MY HEART IN HALF, I TELL YOU. His "I will never leave you again," seemed just a little too cheesy for me. I mean, I could see him saying it in the circumstances, I guess. Maybe it was the delivery? IDK. Something about it was just a little off-putting to me. Although I still adored their moment, OF COURSE. Hello, OTP.

I...didn't understand why they (partially?) killed Matt and all that stuff, and then it didn't even come into play. I'm sure it will in the future when they start delving into the whole ghost storyline *insert eyeroll here*. I did enjoy the Matt/Bonnie interaction, though.
youcallitwinter: you won't be seventeen foreveryoucallitwinter on October 21st, 2011 04:16 pm (UTC)
I AM SO LATE, SORRRY <33

I LOVED THEM AT THE BEGINNING. Being all teenager-y. It was awesome.

I KNOW, RIGHT? Like, they always only get three seconds to smile and I love how they made most of it. And teenage!girls bffness just makes me happy!

There have been times during episodes this season that make me take a step back and think about him differently for a few moments.

Originally I didn’t like Klaus that much because he seemed quite an un-BAMF in comparison to Elijah. But now I think he’s growing on me as a character. Like, his power seems to derive from the fact that he’s a hybrid and that he is literally the most powerful in that respect. Which is why I can accept him and his ways now, while earlier they seemed much too NOT-evil villain-ish and slightly childlike (with the pout and everything, heh). While Elijah’s power derives from how he acts; suave, sophisticated, with a slight air of ruthlessness combined with a strict code-of-honor. I think I could get used to the differences sometime. BUT I SHIP KLAUS/REBEKAH SO HARD DD:

My friend Amanda swooned over that so hard, and I was just...um, no. LIES.

Hahahah, totally, he feels really inadequate with her obviously and he gave up 145 years for this woman, which, in the light of the past year’s events has to seem really pathetic to him. So he tries to overcompensate and reject her as much as he can to make it seem as if he never really cared. Oh, Damon.

Honestly, I have to limit how many icons I upload of her smiling because I have several right now, and I've talked myself out of at least 10.

LIKE YOUR ICON IN THIS COMMENT. But seriously, I always wants her smiling, she has this gorgeous infectious smile and she’s the only one I’ve seen who smiles so wide and openly. Like, there’s nothing mysterious or pretentious about her smile, it just makes me feel good just seeing her happy.



I think this whole situation has some incredible promise, and I really hope the writers deliver.

Oh god, I hope so too! Dick!Stefan is insanely amusing, CAN’T WAIT TO SEE THIS LATEST EPISODE!!

Site note: YOU USED STREETS AHEAD IN YOUR REVIEW. Excuse me while I die happy. I have an irrational love of that phrase, LOL. :D</i>

I TOTALLY HAVE AN IRRATIONAL LOVE OF THIS PHRASE TOO. And now that I’ve used it once, I’m finding it hard not to keep using it again and again andagainandagain. UGH, NO COMMUNITY THIS WEEK D:

Because heaven knows we can't actually let anyone be overly happy for an extended amount of time on this show.

Haha, exactly what I’m thinking. Like I’m fine with Forwood having issues, BUT PLEASE LET THEM NOT GO THE MATT/CAROLINE route again; not every relationship HAS to be a triangle D:

His "I will never leave you again," seemed just a little too cheesy for me. I mean, I could see him saying it in the circumstances, I guess. Maybe it was the delivery? IDK. Something about it was just a little off-putting to me.

To be honest, all these grandiose declarations are usually off-putting for me. I try not to notice what they’re saying and just concentrate on the expressions. I think Damon’s expressions are always more stunning when Elena’s not looking at him and he doesn’t have to try and hide his feelings. What I’ve started doing is completely looking the other way whenever any of them say the words “always”, “forever” or “never”. It always makes it seem too Epic Love Story to me, and they never can keep those promises any way. Which is WHY my favorite D/E scene in this season has been the necklace scene from the first episode, because it was all in the delivery and expressions and nothing ‘significant’ was said, no promises were made and it was so soft and slightly sad, it just makes me melt each time <33

I...didn't understand why they (partially?) killed Matt and all that stuff, and then it didn't even come into play.

THAT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE SMART. Seriously, Matt, your dead sister texted you and you thought it’d be a good idea to try and KILL yourself to communicate with her? What about, I dunno, ASKING HER TO TEXT YOU SOME MORE?
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comeundone_82: water scenecomeundone_82 on October 16th, 2011 06:53 pm (UTC)
EEK love reading your thoughts! Especially on the Stefan/ humanity/ compulsion issue. I pretty much agree and you made a good point of why they did it. The ep was definatley a complicated one and long winded and I still haven´t made up my mind about it...

I didn´t take the ep so well and my first reaction to the "where were you" scene wasn´t the best ah well but in honour of our necklace talk we had a few weeks back, see what I saw floating around http://carrie-girl.tumblr.com/post/11492167390 ;)

Icons *YAY* Taking #37 ... because AWESOME SAUCE scene! Hehe, #21 - well I enjoyed that Damon/ Kat kiss a bit too much I guess, SO HOT damn you Nian *LOL*
youcallitwinter: but I keep them in a box under my bedyoucallitwinter on October 20th, 2011 07:33 pm (UTC)
Thank youuu :D SERIOUSLY, THIS IS LONGER THAN MOST OF MY COLLEGE ASSIGNMENTS. Occasionally, I just don't understand myself /sigh. I know lots of people were justifiably upset with the Stefan cop-out, so I'm hoping he's just...pretending, or something, now THAT would be awesome!

Hahaha, we totally discussed the hell out of the necklace scenes, didn't we? By now, it's an established D/E 'thing' it seems! But for me, nothing will ever top the necklace scene from The Birthday, I thought it'd be so trite and cliched and it turned out just the opposite and I was so ecstatic!

Haha, I can't even figure out what the icon numbers are because they've somehow appeared at the top instead of the bottom, which is what I do usually (LJ editing, MAN). I LOVED THE DAMON/KAT KISS, I loved ALL of Katherine's expressions, such a bamf that girl is! And N/I chemistry is off-charts as per the usual!
gemma: Murdercranmers on October 16th, 2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
Part I
WOW THIS IS LONG.

This episode had the best opening scene ever
Yeah...would have been better if it was a character who's continued existence I cared about!

However Klaus was awesome. AWESOME.
I kind of watch for him now? Like, everything else is annoying me. But Klaus is A++++! Klaus/Rebekah isn't a proper ship? Whoops. I like your quote about children. Children are just BAD. They have no empathy.

I was like, ‘man, how are they going to make Elena still being alive at the end of this episode believable?’ …Oh wait, that’s how. Well, that’s convenient.
My sentiment EXACTLY.

Klaus/Elena was hot, ngl. Just, really good chemistry there.
Oh, Klaus has Chemistry with EVERYBODY. It's all that leaning in he does. Although I do agree, it was A+ with Elena. My favourite K/E scene was when he told her to ignore Rebekah. I LOVED how offended Elena looked when Rebekah said she wasn't as pretty as the other doppelgangers.

Hahaha, Damon/Katherine is hysterical.
It really frustrated me. Like, when they used a clip of them making out in the promo I knew it would be a scene where there was more than it seemed. I don't know... I felt the purpose of the roadtrip was to deconstruct D/K as a ship, which is fine(well, sort of). But IMO it was badly executed. On the one hand, he goes roadtripping with her, he leans in to listen to her advice about breaking legs, he follows her orders but then on the other hand he shows no respect for her - shutup Katherine - and totally rejects her. Of course, I'd rather they didn't deconstruct D/K in order to make D/E happen. Like, D/E is based on transference so D/K can just be there in the background to please ME?! :P But if they have to deconstruct can't it just be clean and simple and less ambiguous? Ohh their banter is awesome though - Kat's 'not possible' = :D Well, Kat in general = :D

But I do understand, that’s a hundred and fifty years of his life he ain’t never getting back
LMFAO hahaha.

However, till now, the being-human thing is causing issues for Elena all on its own...
That whole para, your thoughts = my thoughts.
Just thought I'd let you know!!!

Caroline/Candice has the most beautiful smile ever. It’s actually so bright and oddly innocent that it always makes me smile as well.
TRUFAX. She is also awesome on every other level!

JEREMY/KATHERINE, THE SHIP THAT YOU NEVER KNEW YOU WANTED TO BOARD TILL NOW
OH COME ON. It never occured to you when she was waxing lyrical about how strong and protective Gilbert men were? Or when she referred to him as her new toy? :P I love how not awkward everything is to him. He gets kidnapped by his sister's 500 year old doppelganger and then they go to a cemetery looking for some creepy vampire hunter. But ofc it's no big deal to Jeremy!
gemma: Show me your teethcranmers on October 16th, 2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Part I
of course she’s all broken up over “where were you?”
I really wanted him to be all like, 'sorry Elena but I don't do high school shit' but obviously no, it was all ~intense~ and sad and gooey and he learnt yet another lesson he's bound to throw out of the window later (because that's what he does with life lessons :). But yahhh, I didn't like this scene because it is not the kind of thing Elena would have dreamed of saying in S2. I am not adverse to D/E happening but it seems like in the gap between S2 and S3 they super-speeded everything up. I would like to see how they got there. Yes, I would... LOLed so much at Stefan cock blocking though...

RIPPER STEFAN GOES THE FULL WAY… jk, Klaus compels him and he has no choice in the issue
LOL well put. I am actually okay with it too! Mainly because the inverse triangle they are trying to create wouldn't work with a non-compelled, fully ripper-esque Stefan, he would not have time for all the snarking he is going to be doing! Very disappointed about that but still.

killing/hurting even one or two people the audience knows and god forbid, likes? Not so much.
Oh good thing no one likes Jeremy. Or Lexi? :P

SCAR (FUCK YOU, SCAR, YOU WEREN’T EVEN NICE AND THEN YOU KILLED MUFASA)
I liked 'Be Prepared'. The whole song was a plan to kill Mufasa but I was like 'Ohhh, but you is so jazzy Scar' and then he went and MURDERED MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER. GRRRRRRR....

Damn, I've got to go. Even though I have so much more to say on this entry! :/
Re: Part I - youcallitwinter on October 21st, 2011 05:31 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part I - cranmers on October 27th, 2011 04:03 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part I - youcallitwinter on October 21st, 2011 05:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part I - cranmers on October 27th, 2011 03:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)