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23 May 2012 @ 04:31 pm
[40] The Avengers: Negative Space 20in20  
So this happened:

Me: omg, it's so exciting, I wonder what Elena will look like with her game face on!
Friend: ...like Katherine with her game face on?
Me:

Moving on.


+ I don't know why I do these things; but since everyone was talking about it, I tried reading 50 Shades of Grey, and

WHAT IS THIS BOOK, YOU GUYS?

Full disclosure: I just skimmed through it and barely read 50 pages of the whole thing so maybe I don't actually have a right to comment on it. And the thing is, I don't actually mind the book so much, because I've read much worse and so fine it's glorified fic (literally), but hey, if it works for people, then y'know, good. But, to call this feminist literature? Are you serious? It's empowering women and making them sexually aware and highlighting their desires? Your misogyny makes my head ache, world.

And the thing is, with the movie in the making (which Ian apparently wants to do? He so would lol), I can imagine all the more emphasis on how this is revolutionary and the end of an era and just, no.

And it also strikes me, with how much attention it's getting that the Real World literally has no idea how much innovation there is in fic. Since there are no rules and nothing to lose monetarily or a public to appease, all the boundaries of style and narrative and structure, character and storytelling get pushed. It's actually a rich-subculture that's adding so much to the art of writing in general. Nowhere have I ever seen entire pieces in the second-person narrative other than fic (I mean, there are examples in other places like Hawthorne and Faulkner, but consistently maintaining that, not really). Also, just frame narratives and epistolary formats (I'm guessing before Meg Cabot came up with her Guy Next Door, etc series) and a wide variety of techniques. It's just stunning how fanfic manages to do. I mean there are practically no sexual, social, political, religious, literary taboos at all. If it is an issue, there's probably fic of it. (Rule #375 of the Internet).

+ Also, I need to stop watching Avengers cast videos. Oh my god. I had an exam yesterday and the rest of the day I spent making icons and watching the Avengers cast and they are so ridic adorkable, it makes me want to keep them in my pocket forever. I am legit surprised by how much I want to marry Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth (both together, because their bromance is the best thing ever, and I'm sure one won't be willing to come without the other) even though Thor and Captain America were the ones who I was all 'okay, so they're there' about. D: BUT NOW I LOVE THEM, BECAUSE I'M FICKLE AND SHALLOW LIKE THAT. But just look at these two:





Also, this is what I did yesterday /sigh. *goes back to study...no, really*




THE AVENGERS : NEGATIVE SPACE 20IN20 

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5 CATEGORY – SUPERHEROES

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5 CATEGORY – ARTIST'S CHOICE

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+ Bonus points if you get the thematic associations. WHICH YOU SHOULD.
 
 
 
waltzmatildah: [tvd] katherine | if you want bloodwaltzmatildah on May 23rd, 2012 11:10 am (UTC)
like Katherine with her game face on? UNACCEPTABLE.

youcallitwinter: tvd - katherine - dance the night awayyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 11:12 am (UTC)
Hahahaha, although that is probably what she would look like, don't you think? :P
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goldenusagigoldenusagi on May 23rd, 2012 11:13 am (UTC)
I'm just going to copypaste a comment I left somewhere else about this series:

I read excerpts of 50 Shades that people kept posting on a fandomsecrets thread, and I just... It's SO bad. SO SO bad. Yet people (the media, random coworkers) seem to act like there's never been a naughty book published before. And this isn't even a well written naughty book.

Also, have a link of the worst excerpts, if you want to be scarred for life:

http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/875535.html?thread=539742479#t539742479
youcallitwinter: you're such a good friendyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 12:09 pm (UTC)
OH MY GOD, WHAT IS THAT LINK. (It's the best for the lulz though, thanks so much!) But also, yes, this kind of publicity is the absolute worst, because although I think critics agree that it's pretty ridiculous and trashy and "a hundred steps back", all the people seem to be talking about it like it's a Book of Female Revelations and Emancipation. Which, what, shut up, what is wrong with you?!

And it's just terribly written, even if it weren't so misogynistic in general D:
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waltzmatildah: [bb] walt | torn apart at the seamswaltzmatildah on May 23rd, 2012 11:13 am (UTC)
Also, re. The Book. I haven't read it. I have no intention of reading it. But I am keeping up with a blog that is reviewing it chapter by chapter, and just, HOLY JESUS.

That is all.

Actually, no. One more thing. It kind of worries me that Ian wants to do this. Has he read it? Does he GET it? I would not want my name anywhere near this travesty.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on May 23rd, 2012 11:16 am (UTC)
It kind of worries me that Ian wants to do this. Has he read it? Does he GET it?

Yeah, a little of this. He always seems so, IDK, progressive and aware. I guess not? But the movie is obviously going to be a cash cow.
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kirtash_girlkirtash_girl on May 23rd, 2012 11:18 am (UTC)
OMG, I love them. The Coloring is amazing:)
youcallitwinter: you're such a good friendyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 11:25 am (UTC)
Thanks so much! Glad you like them :)
gemma: JoMo {Explanatory Hand Gesture}cranmers on May 23rd, 2012 11:22 am (UTC)
I love your thoughts on fic.

BUT WHATTT



TOM HIDDLESTON DOES THE BEST AVENGERS INTERVIEWS.



Almost as good as the McAvoy/Fassbender trufaxx (not quite as good, alas)!

Although having said that I am about to stream the clip you just pimped for the second time.

Also, have you seen Thor? I SAW IT A FEW DAYS AGO AND I HAS ALL THESE FEEEEELING!
Ishi-chanishi_chan on May 23rd, 2012 11:38 am (UTC)
Sorry to butt in but I just needed to say that TOM HIDDLESTON DOES THE BEST EVERYTHING.

He was great in Avengers but Thor was unreal *all the loki feelings* *also loki/sif feelings*
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daxcat79: Avengers:  Bruce and Tonydaxcat79 on May 23rd, 2012 11:29 am (UTC)
These icons are gorgeous! Love the coloring!
youcallitwinter: hp - hermione - our winding roads are goyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 12:12 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much, I'm glad you like them!
gemma: Avengers; Lokicranmers on May 23rd, 2012 11:32 am (UTC)
Also, this:



DAS BESTE
youcallitwinter: btvs - b/d - sistersyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 11:36 am (UTC)
I GOT THE INSPIRATION OFF TUMBLR WHERE SOMEONE HAD MADE A GRAPHIC. And I literally just went and found similar caps because I needed the icon, negl D:
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Ishi-chanishi_chan on May 23rd, 2012 11:36 am (UTC)
LOL I keep hearing about 50 Shades of Gray (just various people aka TVD cast members being ashamed to be reading it on a plane xD)and whenever I check it out on Amazon to see if I should maybe actually read it it makes me think how fanfic-y the whole thing sounds (only without the already established attachment to the characters).

I have not heard about being supposedly feminist though :/

I WANT ALL TEH LOKI ICONS NOW (I don't have enough icon space left though ;___;)
youcallitwinter: tvd - caroline - the line starts with meyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 12:00 pm (UTC)
I KNOW. I mean, I just didn't know anything about this book at all, till fandom exploded with rage and I should just TRUST MY FLIST and not do things like this, but I have no self control at all D: But what really pushed me was Candice saying she was reading it (which I'm guessing is your plane reference too xD) and that Ian wanted to play the guy, so I'm all 'OKAY, I GIVE UP, WHAT IS THIS THING YOU ALL SPEAK OF'.

(Okay, it's so bad. It's so, so bad. It's a BAD FANFICTION. And not even ironically. Which is the worst kind of fic there is DD:)

Oh, but did you know, it's an ACTUAL fanfic? Like, it was a Twilight AU fic, which the author posted. And then later took down and changed the character names and published it? Technically I suppose she has the right; since AU fics rarely borrow anything (although that also implies your characterization would have to be completely OOC for it to fit within two entirely new characters lolol)

I have not heard about being supposedly feminist though :/

KILL THE WORLD WITH FIRE.

I WANT ALL TEH LOKI ICONS NOW (I don't have enough icon space left though ;___;)

My icon's are so gonna go in a couple of days and I'm already like 'noooooooo' hahaha
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Lizzie: alice in wonderland|white queenxx_pinkstar on May 23rd, 2012 01:04 pm (UTC)
Was 50 Shades of Grey hilariously bad? I read the general plot and it sounds like one of those really bad fanfics where the woman has absolutely no self respect (as in. NONE.) and it makes me want to hurt things.

THE AVENGERS IT MY CURRENT LIFE. AND THOR WAS MY ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE and not entirely because I'm shallow. ALSO, MY FRIEND MUST BE LIKE THE ONLY PERSON WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT LOKI IS SO HOT? AND THE BROMANCEEEEEEEEEEE.

Oh and beautiful icons are beautiful as always. Will probably take a bunch of Black Widow. And Loki. And Thor. And- imma just take most of them kay
youcallitwinter: tvd - d/e - my last confessionyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 03:35 pm (UTC)
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXCERPT FROM THE LINK goldenusagi POSTED:

“When did you start your period, Anastasia?” he asks out of the blue, gazing down at me.

“Err... yesterday,” I mumble in my highly aroused state.

“Good.” He releases me and turns me around.

“Hold on to the sink,” he orders and pulls my hips back again, like he did in the playroom, so I’m bending down.

He reaches between my legs and pulls on the blue string… what! And… a gently pulls my tampon out and tosses it into the nearby toilet. Holy fuck. Sweet mother of all… Jeez. And then he’s inside me… ah! Skin against skin… moving slowly at first… easily, testing me, pushing me… oh my. I grip on to the sink, panting, forcing myself back on him, feeling him inside me. Oh the sweet agony… his hands clasp my hips. He sets a punishing rhythm – in, out, and he reaches around and finds my clitoris, massaging me… oh jeez. I can feel myself quicken.

“That’s right, baby,” he rasps as he grinds into me, angling his hips, and it’s enough to send me flying, flying high.

Whoa… and I come, loudly, gripping for dear life onto the sink as I spiral down through my orgasm, everything spinning and clenching at once. He follows, clasping me tightly, his front on my back as he climaxes and calls my name like it’s a litany or a prayer.



/50 shades means never having to say you're kidding

YOUR FRIEND MUST BE THE ONLY ONE BECAUSE EVERYONE I KNOW IN FANDOM OR IRL ARE VERY LOKI-FIED RN. I thought Thor was hilarious in the 'that may not be what it was trying for' sort of way; but tbh that may have been because of the 3D effects which just weren't good at least in the theatre I saw the movie at. It was a whole lot of fun, I do remember, AND LOKI <3 But also, The Avengers omg, omg, because it's Joss Whedon, ofc, THAT MAN <3

Hahaha, thank youuu, I can't believe I made icons, I am pretty much hara-kiri-ing right now D:
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youcallitwinter: tvd - c/e - all you want is everythingyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 03:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, I have nothing against the book series themselves; I've spent way too much of my life reading and enjoying Mills and Boons to appropriate any sort of high ground here. But it's definitely not feminist writing, and fan response that tries to fit it within that mould makes me D:

Hahaha, Loki seems to be the fan favorite! And I definitely agree; every post could do with more of Loki :D There are SO MANY characters in The Avengers that fitting them in a 20in20 becomes impossible, hee.

Haven't you seen the movie, yet? I think it released here a month before the other premiere's, but are there places it still needs to be released? D:

And thanks so much!
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upupa_epops: [misc] fiction is better than lifeupupa_epops on May 23rd, 2012 03:34 pm (UTC)
LOL, I just came back from a walk with a friend who's reading 50 Shades now. She gave me a full rant about how terrible female sexuality is in this book, and told me never to read it, because, knowing my attitude, I'd, idk, implode. Or something. AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THIS BOOK IS CONSIDERED FEMINIST? Do those people know what feminism is?
youcallitwinter: got - cersei - greenyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 03:54 pm (UTC)
YOU HAVE SMART FRIENDS, HOLD ONTO THAT ONE. No, but seriously, I think that's the promotion for the book. That it's bold and daring and is opening up female sexuality, etc, and people are buying into it and I just don't know. This sort of stuff really gets to me D:
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sweet baby jesusmoirariordan on May 23rd, 2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
OH GOD AVENGERS ICONS *GIMME*

And it also strikes me, with how much attention it's getting that the Real World literally has no idea how much innovation there is in fic.

This is why, I think, fic is made fun of so much and ridiculed by people/websites/whoever outside of the culture. I mean, everyone in fandom knows what it's like to have that moment of panic when someone in your real life finds your username (the OH GOD NO moment) but honestly the reason we panic is because we all know on some level that what we do wouldn't be accepted by mainstream culture. Because we have no rules, other than to not be an asshole, and people who aren't used to that just automatically lash out. (Unless you write a lot of porn and then your orthodox-Jewish aunt finds it. Then you just know on a lot of levels that you're about to have a super embarrassing conversation. What? This didn't happen to me. Whatever.)

It's the same reason why Twilight has done so well despite the fact that it's a shitty book that's full of fail. Or this Shades of Grey nonsense. Both of them are utterly uncreative and stupid but they vomit up the same representations of gender that are intrinsic in our society, only with an extra helping of lip gloss to make it all seem new and exciting, and fuck that. That is bullshit of the highest degree.

Fic like that, that is stupid and badly written and contains outdated, bullshit ideas about women and men and relationships does very well, of course, but fandom as a whole is still seen as aberrant, strange, deviant and perverted. They find the strangest shit they can, some fic that's somebody's inside joke and they put it on blogs like Cracked and go "look! look! Captain Kirk's making out with the Giant Squid from Hogwarts, aren't those fanfiction people fucking crazy?!" It's condescending and offensive and misogynistic and it really, really pisses me off.

(Like that episode of Supernatural where they make fun of the fan conventions - NO. What an asshole thing to do. Not okay. God, I am ashamed that I'm getting into this show because everyone involved in it just seems like a gigantic jackass.)

Meanwhile they are making 50 Shades of Grey into a movie. People are spending money to read it. And will spend money to watch it. Yeah. We're the freaks.
youcallitwinter: ats - c/a - strange and untrueyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 07:21 pm (UTC)
Oh god, anyone from RL finding my LJ (technically, my friends, I wouldn't mind so much, they're awesome, although they'd indulgently think I was ridiculously obsessive. But parental figures, NO) is like my worst nightmare D: And it's true; the thing is, there is no way I'd be able to justify fic or its content or anything basically. Which is odd, because everything I've written for competitions or even academic papers or speeches are very, very influenced by how much I've been in fandom and the writing styles I've explored, which has proved extremely helpful. I may have been accepted for Gender, Media and Culture in LSE only BECAUSE I'm so used to discussing Gender, Media and Culture (I sent in a Buffy paper for my writing sample). But if anyone were to find out, I'd get the biggest lectures about wasting time and exclamations about the 'kind' of stuff that I write (much, much more prevalent in this country, negl). It's just the worst.

(Unless you write a lot of porn and then your orthodox-Jewish aunt finds it. Then you just know on a lot of levels that you're about to have a super embarrassing conversation. What? This didn't happen to me. Whatever.)

HAHAHAHA /trails off, seals lips, etc

I'm totally okay with Twilight and 50 Shades being everyone's favorite. That makes no difference to me. I mean, I've read so many Mills and Boons and enjoyed them, even though they're all formulaic (literally, the publishing house has an actual formula) and generic in the extreme. I think the difference is that M&B's don't pretend to be anything other than what they are, while the other two are trying to pass off as something which they're completely not. Write whatever the hell you want, and if it sells, well, good for you. But don't try to make it about emancipating and liberation, when it's the exact opposite. THAT is just offensive.

They find the strangest shit they can, some fic that's somebody's inside joke and they put it on blogs like Cracked and go "look! look! Captain Kirk's making out with the Giant Squid from Hogwarts, aren't those fanfiction people fucking crazy?!"

I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THIS TREND. Have all those people ever bothered to read a fic at all? And all the REACTIONS; I mean everyone going 'write your own stuff' (the best response I read was this author who used to write fanfic saying that nobody would question it if she said she wanted to play Led Zep on the guitar, but they couldn't understand that was what fic writing was for her.)

I think it's mostly because writing like srs bzns work to a lot of people? They can't imagine it being fun or something that you like to do, so fanfic writing becomes this bizzare way to waste time by working and not coming up with anything productive (hello, capitalist culture much). And then of course there are all the stereotypes about who writes and what they write, which are completely and utterly ridiculous.

(LOL, I still haven't ever seen Supernatural, but the people seem pretty and adorkable. I DID see that clip of that Sam-and-Dean-girls dialogue though, which was funny and annoying all at once).

Heh, I'll probably see the movie if they cast someone hot. BUT AT LEAST I'LL KNOW I'M WATCHING IT BECAUSE THEY CAST SOMEONE HOT.
La Reina del Pantanodisco_mouse on May 23rd, 2012 04:40 pm (UTC)
just did a search for icons and yours was the first! What is your policy? I LOVE AND WANT THEM.
youcallitwinter: avengers - bw - the girl in questionyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
What is my policy for icon-taking? Haha, nothing of course, take as many as you want, credit would be nice. And thank you, I'M GLAD YOU LIKE THEM :D
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bellonablack on May 23rd, 2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
I heard 50 shades was pure pure smut.;)

Literally I was in a place where people talked about what was on every single page. Haha.

How did you like the Avengers???
youcallitwinter: beauty in the breakdownyoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 04:57 pm (UTC)
IT IS, but it's like bad fic smut. THERE IS SO MUCH GOOD SMUT OUT THERE, what is wrong with the publishing world. It's pretty much naive-innocent-virgin meets deviant-handsome-playboy, as far as I could tell, lol.

How did you like the Avengers???



Considering it's Joss freakin' Whedon, I was bound to adore it. BUT FLAWLESS CAST IS FLAWLESS. I cannot stop watching their interviews, and Chris and Chris are just golden together *hearts*
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jdphoenix: britta - communityjdphoenix on May 23rd, 2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
Since I saw Avengers (three days ago) it has taken over my life. Which is really difficult for anything to do when TVD exists. I just love everyone and everything associated with it so seeing these absolutely gorgeous icons on my dash made my day. :)

Also, as bad as 50 Shades might be it has done one very important thing: helped to legitimize fanfic in the eyes of my family. (No one was ever down on it before, but every little bit helps when you're in your 20s and you've used your very expensive creative writing degree for fic writing and nothing else.) So until it starts invading my life to an annoying extent (movie? Oh no. What's tumblr gonna do?) I don't much mind it.

(Plus, it was nice to finally see Hunger Games knocked out of the top spot on the kindle top 100.)
youcallitwinter: community - ot3 - our last song togetheryoucallitwinter on May 23rd, 2012 06:59 pm (UTC)
Since I saw Avengers (three days ago) it has taken over my life.

TOTALLY VALID REACTION TBH.

Which is really difficult for anything to do when TVD exists.

LOLOLOL, I never quite realized how deeply I was into fandom till now. I mean, this post has like one line about TVD, and not really about TVD at all, and yet all the discussions in these comments seem to have centered around TVD more than anything else, haha

(No one was ever down on it before, but every little bit helps when you're in your 20s and you've used your very expensive creative writing degree for fic writing and nothing else.)

FOUR FOR YOU. I have nothing against the book; I mean I've read a whole lot worse, really; but the 'it's revolutionary' promotion though, omg, that just sucks. But family-acceptance-of-fic is a huge step forward in anyone's life /nods

I may even watch the movie if it has Ian, but I would KNOW I'm watching it for hot people instead of ~sexual liberation or ~feminism. PEOPLE, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

(I still haven't read/seen The Hunger Games. I may be the last person on earth :O)



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